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Tavascarow
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 2235
Location: South Cornwall
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| ruby09 wrote: |
Thanks Jamanda, I see you are in North Devon, I'm in Devon. I would like to join in but as I have no animals, I feel it is only my humble opinion. I will be pming the sow if I can work it out  |
Don't be put off.
There are many people here who have neither land nor livestock.
& welcome from me down 'ere.
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The sow
Joined: 15 Jan 2009
Posts: 27
Location: Lanarkshire in Scotland
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The RPA woman did say that people with holding numbers in a town often had land a few miles away and I think this should be encouraged, people in towns keeping a piece of land for growing veg, raising animals. It the people who keep animals whether it be pigs, goats etc in places that comprise their welfare that shouldn't be allowed cph's, so minimal checks should be in place at the very least. I am contacting trading standards on Monday to see what their take is on keeping a pig in a totally unsuitable place such as a gardenless property. I would be interested in what checks are carried out or whether once you have a cph, you can get away with murder. |
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Shan
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 400
Location: South Wales
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| Jools wrote: |
I'm going to put my hand up and say that I'd love KK's as pets, but not *micro pigs*.
*Micro pigs* are made for the dumb market and unfortunately, if posh and becks have bought into the spiel, so will loads of other people and that's what worries me.
Pigs, from what I've read on forums, are intelligent creatures, which is why I would love to have some.
I couldn't eat them if I had them for two reasons, the first being that I don't eat meat (other than fish) and the second being, if they're intelligent like dogs and you enjoy their antics, how can you then take pig to slaughter and eat them?
I'm not trying to cause an argument, just curious about how people who are aware of decent animal husbandry can eat the animals that they've named. |
I name my pigs and yes, I give them affection and yes, I have every intention of eating them. I want them to have a good fullfilling life. Who says that an animal destined to become meat, should not have attention or even affection? Surely, it is crueler to buy some anonymous lump of meat? |
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Ixy
Joined: 15 Aug 2008
Posts: 2835
Location: York
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 09 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Jools wrote: |
Pigs.....are intelligent creatures.....I couldn't eat them.....if they're intelligent like dogs....how can you then take pig to slaughter and eat them?
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I'm just wondering if this just applied to pigs with you, or other intelligent creatures too? To be perfectly honest, from my work training cattle I would put them as intelligent, if not moreso, than a german shepherd and certainly as intelligent as a pig. Mine have learnt things in a fraction of the time it took the dog to learn a comparable trick. They are also as affectionate with me as the pigs - they love a belly/back rub as much as the pigs do and will come away from the rest of the herd to get one.
One easy example for me is that of the pigs we have in outdoor pens behind an electric fence. It seems that once they have got used to the fence, we can't possibly get them over the line where the fence was for love nor money. It takes forever to convince them, and no matter how much they look or how much we cross the line, or put food out or whatever, they just don't seem to learn, even though they are moved every week or so.
Whereas when I first started paddocking the oxen behind an electric wire, when the fence came down the first time and I attempted to lead them over the line, they hesitated but when they saw me cross, obviously assumed it was fine and followed - not even a food bribe involved. |
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bring me sunshine
Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 640
Location: nr Bridgend, south Wales
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 09 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Ixy wrote: |
| One easy example for me is that of the pigs we have in outdoor pens behind an electric fence. It seems that once they have got used to the fence, we can't possibly get them over the line where the fence was for love nor money. It takes forever to convince them, and no matter how much they look or how much we cross the line, or put food out or whatever, they just don't seem to learn, even though they are moved every week or so. |
I'm not jealous.... I'm not jealous.... |
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GSHP
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 445
Location: Devon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 09 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Hi ruby09 Welcome from another Devonian, you don't need animals to join in |
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Ixy
Joined: 15 Aug 2008
Posts: 2835
Location: York
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 09 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| bring me sunshine wrote: |
| Ixy wrote: |
| One easy example for me is that of the pigs we have in outdoor pens behind an electric fence. It seems that once they have got used to the fence, we can't possibly get them over the line where the fence was for love nor money. It takes forever to convince them, and no matter how much they look or how much we cross the line, or put food out or whatever, they just don't seem to learn, even though they are moved every week or so. |
I'm not jealous.... I'm not jealous.... |
no, you're really not! Or if you are, next time we have to move 'em, you can give it a go!!  |
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GSHP
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 445
Location: Devon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 09 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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When we applied for our CPH number and herd number we were visited as a matter of course by someone from the state veterinary department. They inspected where we were going to keep and house the pigs, took samples of food and advised on present regulations.Do these insepection not happen elsewhere. |
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Ixy
Joined: 15 Aug 2008
Posts: 2835
Location: York
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 09 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| GSHP wrote: |
| When we applied for our CPH number and herd number we were visited as a matter of course by someone from the state veterinary department. They inspected where we were going to keep and house the pigs, took samples of food and advised on present regulations.Do these insepection not happen elsewhere. |
No! Definately not - I got my CPH number no fuss. Never saw an official bod - to this day. I rang THEM to see when they needed to see me about...well, anything really and they told me I'd get a letter in january (2010) to tell me that they'd be wanting to come see me in August. I'd got my holding number january 2007 
Then I moved in with Rob so in all the time I had my own holding, they never once came to see me or it, or the livestock I processed through it, which, given that most went for human consumption struck me as a bit slouchy, but whenever I rang they seemed very unconcerned about it all.
Which I don't mind, but it does make you wonder what others get away with! |
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GSHP
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Posts: 445
Location: Devon
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They didn't worry when I first applied for the CPH and flock number for the sheep but as soon as I applied for the pigs they turned up for an unexpected visit. That was three years ago and I had another this year. I know it is common practise in this county, CIG also keeps sheep but as soon as she kept pigs had an inspection. |
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Porky
Joined: 06 Nov 2009
Posts: 10
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surely it is the land that has the holding number not the person?
if you live in a flat and keep your pigs on someone's land down the road, the owner of the land will have a holding number that applies to that piece of land.
As far as i can see, when people apply for a holding number, a few questions need to be asked and inspections need to be made of not all, but some of the applications - the dodgy ones.
on a seperate issue, i'm with you Ruby and well done for saying it like is.
i voiced my opinion on the Daily Mail website after all the little pig farm publicity and was publicly flayed alive by jane croft on facebook. her banner on facebook read 'Wendy S, Saint, pig rescuer and TW*T'
there can be no reason for the pushing of micro/mini pigs other than financial, unless of course its so that all the people who think piglets are cute can be happy now
while i'm here, i have to ask - how in the world would bidgiemire be in competition with micro pig breeders???? |
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bodger
Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 6135
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Both the purveyors of piggies.
Do you and Ruby know each other ? |
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Ixy
Joined: 15 Aug 2008
Posts: 2835
Location: York
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 09 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Porky wrote: |
surely it is the land that has the holding number not the person?
if you live in a flat and keep your pigs on someone's land down the road, the owner of the land will have a holding number that applies to that piece of land.
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Not always - what if the land doesn't have an address? what if you rent it from someone who doesn't have a holding number? what if you rent grazing on a seasonal basis - if the holding number went with the land you'd have to transfer your flock/herd into somebody else's name every time you moved. That would give rise to a number of 'interesting' ownership 'issues' I can imagine...
You can even have 2 separate holdings on the same piece of land, with 'shared facilities'.
How do you distinguish 'dodgy' applications from 'nromal' applications, given you're just filling in a form?
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Porky
Joined: 06 Nov 2009
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i don't think we know each other,
don't think bidgie and LPF are after the same market though |
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Ixy
Joined: 15 Aug 2008
Posts: 2835
Location: York
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 09 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Rob's just pointed out that if you live in a flat, there's no rules to stop you buying land! |
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