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alison
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Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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Location: North Devon
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 Posted: Fri Nov 20, 09 6:29 pm Post subject: planning permission |
 
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How does having livestock effect people trying to get planning for statics, on land with no housing? |
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Essex
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 09 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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It makes it easier to get consent, but you still have to provide a convincing animal welfare case for living there and usually a financial plan (3 years in our area) |
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alison
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Location: North Devon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 09 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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I am sure on here, somewhere I have seen something about having alpacas to do it, but can't find it now. Why would they be any different to any other livestock? |
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Dr Rob
Joined: 04 Sep 2008
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Location: Moylgrove, nr Cardigan, Pembs
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 09 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Generally, the type of livestock is irrelevant. Applicants for an agricultural dwelling have to pass 2 tests to satisfy the planners ie functional (is it necessary for a worker to live on the application land eg to look after the stock), and financial (is the business financially viable, or will it be within a reasonable time).
It also depends, of course, on the area of land - about 20 acres tends to be the minimum although my Councillors recently gave permission for about 2 acres (expletive deleted). It helps in these parts if you're Welsh speaking and your family has lived in the area since time immemorial (I'm Welsh, by the way).
To test the financial viability, permission is sometimes given for a residential caravan for a period of 3 years. |
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alison
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 09 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Dr Rob.
It isn't for me, by the way, but something I saw in the paper, and was unsur of the rules. |
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RichardW
Joined: 24 Aug 2006
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Location: Llyn Peninsular North Wales
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The financial test has & is being challenged in court. They used to want a large profit to pay a full Agri wage. They now are having to accept that you can live on a minimal wage when you live "off the land". |
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Kentishsteve
Joined: 22 Oct 2008
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so if i purchase 2 acres of land and put a few chicken coops on there and some pigs grow some vegtables and then try plonking a static on there i'm probably not going to get permission |
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Chez
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Location: Quantock Hills, Somerset
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 10 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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I think it probably depends
a) where the land is located - ie, is it on the edge of a village that is an existing development area?
b) what area you live in
c) whether you can prove that you have a genuine need to be on-site or whether you are using the livestock as an excuse to get planning
d) what your main income is
There's probably other stuff, too.
TLIS is a useful resource: http://www.tlio.org.uk/ |
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The.Grange
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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Location: Derbyshire
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 10 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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around here its not so much the amount of land but the pre-existance of barns/animal housing being there first. |
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Blue Peter
Joined: 21 Mar 2005
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Location: Milton Keynes
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 10 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| The.Grange wrote: |
| around here its not so much the amount of land but the pre-existance of barns/animal housing being there first. |
In the sense, that they are quite keen to give PP if you convert an existing structure?
Peter. |
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The.Grange
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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Location: Derbyshire
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 10 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Blue Peter wrote: |
| The.Grange wrote: |
| around here its not so much the amount of land but the pre-existance of barns/animal housing being there first. |
In the sense, that they are quite keen to give PP if you convert an existing structure?
Peter. |
no, as in you have to have existing housing for animals to give rise to the reason you want to keep them their at all. Basically you can't purchase land bung on a shed add animals and then say they need care so you want to live there.
Barn conversions/existing building conversions are really getting restricted to basically non-perm resi dwellings ie holiday lets only. |
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Kentishsteve
Joined: 22 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 10 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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surely you wanting to keep livestock should give rise to the need for housing not the other way round |
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The.Grange
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
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Location: Derbyshire
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 10 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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you get plenty of land for sale without animal housing on it |
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wellington womble
Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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Location: Bucks
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 10 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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I think it was wellground alpacas who famously (in planning terms!) did it. The built a lovely log cabin, and then had it sprayed a not-so-lovely orange. |
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