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misty07



Joined: 22 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 11 12:52 pm    Post subject: pheasant traps Reply with quote    

any body made some before? what would you say is easiest for a newby to try? i was looking at making a couple and placing on some waste ground iv seen and heard a few birds on whats the string of corn trick? could i use fishing line?

12Bore



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 11 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I don't think you're allowed to snare pheasants.....
http://www.naturenet.net/law/birds.html#kill

misty07



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 11 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

ahh not allowed then

matt_hooks



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Not allowed to trap them, but you CAN legally shoot them with an air rifle. (As long as they are in season, which they are at the moment, and given that the normal legalities, permission, safe shot etc. are in place)

A head shot is a necessity, nothing else will guarantee an instant and humane kill.

Shane



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Be careful: according to BASC you can shoot crows, rooks, jackdaws, magpies, jays, woodpigeon, collared doves, feral pigeons, brown rats, grey squirrels, stoats, mink and rabbits.

Regarding game birds, they specifically state:
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although there are seasons when you can legally shoot game, and some wildfowl, they are not suitable quarry for air rifles

SteveP



Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If there are pheasants about and you really want one then there is going to be a game shoot nearby. Go and volunteer as a beater for the day. You will get a brace for your trouble (and a lot of exercise).

Steve

Tavascarow



Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Location: South Cornwall
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Shane wrote:
Be careful: according to BASC you can shoot crows, rooks, jackdaws, magpies, jays, woodpigeon, collared doves, feral pigeons, brown rats, grey squirrels, stoats, mink and rabbits.

Regarding game birds, they specifically state:
Quote:
although there are seasons when you can legally shoot game, and some wildfowl, they are not suitable quarry for air rifles

That surely though is the BASC protecting quarry for the pleasure of its shooting members.
I know from what I've been told by a poaching acquaintance that pheasant are very easy to shoot with an air rifle, especially with a lamp at night when they are on the roost.
Probably easier than crows, rooks, jackdaws, magpies, jays, woodpigeon, collared doves & feral pigeons.
If I where to shoot one here on my own ground It might be deemed very unsporting but unlawful?
Or if unlawful to the extent the law would actually be interested in convicting?
I've got my doubts.
Of course if I do it on Lord Ponsenby Smthyes sporting estate then I'm likely to get hung.

SteveP



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

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If I where to shoot one here on my own ground It might be deemed very unsporting but unlawful?
Or if unlawful to the extent the law would actually be interested in convicting?
I've got my doubts.
Of course if I do it on Lord Ponsenby Smthyes sporting estate then I'm likely to get hung.


Ignoring the outdated stereotype of game shooters, even on your own land you will get prosecuted if you are seen breaking the other obscure game laws such as shooting at one on a Sunday. It doesn't even matter if you miss it you will have broken the law.

By all means harvest the wild game responsibly but know what you are getting into before you have to hire a lawyer to get you out of it.

Steve

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

SteveP wrote:
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If I where to shoot one here on my own ground It might be deemed very unsporting but unlawful?
Or if unlawful to the extent the law would actually be interested in convicting?
I've got my doubts.
Of course if I do it on Lord Ponsenby Smthyes sporting estate then I'm likely to get hung.


Ignoring the outdated stereotype of game shooters, even on your own land you will get prosecuted if you are seen breaking the other obscure game laws such as shooting at one on a Sunday. It doesn't even matter if you miss it you will have broken the law.

By all means harvest the wild game responsibly but know what you are getting into before you have to hire a lawyer to get you out of it.

Steve
So when has anyone been prosecuted?
Other than poachers have you any examples?

SteveP



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

[/quote]So when has anyone been prosecuted?
Other than poachers have you any examples?[/quote]

No i don't but is that relevant to what is actually illegal?

Tavascarow



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

SteveP wrote:
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So when has anyone been prosecuted?
Other than poachers have you any examples?


No i don't but is that relevant to what is actually illegal?

Speeding is illegal but plenty of people still do it, & get away with it even when the law intervenes.
12Bore wrote:
I don't think you're allowed to snare pheasants.....
http://www.naturenet.net/law/birds.html#kill

Snaring definitely not, but live cage traps I think you will find are legal for pheasant.
Otherwise gamekeepers wouldn't be allowed to use them to catch the seasons breeding birds.
Although most of them buy their poults from large game farms so probably outmoded now.

kirstyfern



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Pheasants will have been reared and released therefore are someones property so you can't just go catching them as that is poaching... Certainly we are asked to flush them back to the farm if they stray on our land, if we were caught trapping / shooting them we would lose friends very quickly, despite them being on our land.

We were told that it is illegal (unsporting, definately) to shoot a pheasant on the ground / perch, they should be flushed and shot whilst airborne, with a shotgun, not an air rifle. I wouldn't like to test the law on this.

In season I can buy pheasants from the game dealer for 1/2 each so it isn't worth the risk.

Pigeons on the other hand are easily trapped / shot with an air rafle and are fair game - and very tasty

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

best pheasant trap is a blind corner during the morning school run

a clean "headshot"is oft delivered by car bumper

Chez



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Location: The Hive of the Uberbee, Quantock Hills, Somerset
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

kirstyfern wrote:
Pheasants will have been reared and released therefore are someones property so you can't just go catching them as that is poaching... Certainly we are asked to flush them back to the farm if they stray on our land, if we were caught trapping / shooting them we would lose friends very quickly, despite them being on our land.


I believe that the legal position is that if they are on your land, then they are your property. Obviously it's not that neighbourly if you are doing it regularly.

They are very cheap to buy in the feather, I agree. Last year people were giving them away around here - the people who came shooting didn't actually want to *eat* them.

Treacodactyl
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 11 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

kirstyfern wrote:
Pheasants will have been reared and released therefore are someones property so you can't just go catching them as that is poaching... Certainly we are asked to flush them back to the farm if they stray on our land, if we were caught trapping / shooting them we would lose friends very quickly, despite them being on our land.


As I understand it once released no one owns them, so if they come onto your land they're fair game (whilst taking other legal matters into consideration such as game seasons etc, etc).

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Pigeons on the other hand are easily trapped / shot with an air rafle and are fair game - and very tasty


Funnily enough it's not that simple. You can only legally shoot pigeons for pest control purposes, you can't shoot them purely to eat. Once you've controlled your pest you can eat them.

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