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Brownbear



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 3:56 am    Post subject: Why Shooting Etiquette Matters  Reply with quote    

One second's worth of competetive overenthusiasm did this. A sad but cautionary tale.


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A competitive teenager who leapt in front of a friend's firearm during a pigeon shoot caused his own death, an inquest found.

Alex Bailey, 18, died instantly when he was hit by a pellet from the gun during the shoot in farmland near Southease, East Sussex, last July.

His inquest heard that the "gentle giant" had run forward despite his friend calling "my bird" - a breach of shooting protocol.

Eastbourne Coroner's Court was told that the teenager, from Kingston, near Lewes, East Sussex, had alcohol in his blood - although friends denied he had been drinking during the shoot.

The inquest heard that Alex, a keen rugby player, was lying in wait for birds in a wooden hide at the edge of a barley field with friends Charles Page and Carl Hammond, both 18, when the tragedy happened.

The court was told that when Charles Page spotted a pigeon, he called out "my bird" but 6ft 4in Alex replied: "No, Bull" before standing up and stepping straight into the line of fire.

A split second later he fell dead onto Carl Hammond's lap.

"We thought he was joking, then we asked him if he was all right," Carl told the inquest.

The court heard that when police arrived Charles declared: "I'm going to prison. I've killed my best mate, how can I live with that? It should be me dead instead of him."

But returning a verdict of misadventure, coroner Alan Craze said the teenager should not be held responsible.

"This afternoon has made it abundantly clear that there is no question of any criminal negligence in this death," he said.

"He didn't intentionally put himself in the line of fire.

"From Charles Page's point of view this was an accident, but from Alex Bailey's point of view I must give a verdict of misadventure."

He added: "They must follow very, very strict rules which are clearly understood beforehand and are adhered to by everyone.

"Alcohol and guns do not mix. I don't need to say anything more than that.

"This was a most tragic and distressing case."

Alex's father Andrew, a 50-year-old accountant, told the inquest: "He was a practical lad, very strong-willed but very caring. He was a bit of a gentle giant."

Mr Bailey said his son never showed off with his guns and believed he was very sensible and careful with firearms. He had held a gun licence for a year.

But the two friends described Alex as competitive.

"When we went fishing he'd say he would catch more than you," Carl said.

"He was always trying to prove himself better than anyone else."

Story from Telegraph News:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2303039/Teenager-jumped-in-front-of-gun-at-shoot.html

woodsprite



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

We heard about this at the time BB, very sad indeed and a cautionary tale if ever I heard one. Unfortunately lack of etiquette around guns, amongst other things, is something we are coming across more and more just lately.

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

If anyone has ever wondered why people are 'braced and ballocked' by old-style keepers for boorishly taking birds from other Guns, this is why.

Gervase



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

A dreadfully sad case that should be read by every Gun, new and old as an object lesson in why etiquette does matter.

Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Agree.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Poor sod. I hope his death has made a few people think about the way they handle guns.

We have one potential new club applicant, who owns his own rifle, so presumably has land to shoot on but his safety management is appalling. Carrying a rifle around in the club room with the bolt closed and magazine clipped in is not good etiquette.

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

vegplot wrote:
Poor sod. I hope his death has made a few people think about the way they handle guns.

We have one potential new club applicant, who owns his own rifle, so presumably has land to shoot on but his safety management is appalling. Carrying a rifle around in the club room with the bolt closed and magazine clipped in is not good etiquette.


Stalkers can get into very bad habits. When I'm out I know my rifle is safe so I don't have to worry - nobody else there to see me or be made nervous by what I'm doing. Then other people are there and you have to remember not just to be safe, but to be seen to be safe.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Brownbear wrote:
Stalkers can get into very bad habits.
I don't think he's a stalker as his personal discipline is awful. I know what you mean though.

Jonnyboy



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I was taught firearm safety as a cadet prior to owning guns myself and it is something that stays with you. Even if it's for one hour I feel a short safety course for anyone wishing to own a firearm would be appropriate.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Jonnyboy wrote:
I was taught firearm safety as a cadet prior to owning guns myself and it is something that stays with you. Even if it's for one hour I feel a short safety course for anyone wishing to own a firearm would be appropriate.


Fortunately gun accidents are few and far between. I don't know what enthusiasm there is in the home office to enforce or introduce legislation but it may very well help prevent some of the accidents that do happen. Good guns clubs are excellent training grounds on health and safety matters. There is probably a gap in safety awareness for casual field shooters though.

It will be interesting to see if this chap in our club listens to what he's being told over the next few weeks. He won't be gaining full membership if he doesn't that's for sure.

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

field safety has extra aspects on top of good range practices ,gates ,styles ,bushes , mud ,dogs ,random members of the public etc
casual with guns is wrong

GENT



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Unfortunately it’s also more expected with us young uns also, as we do on the whole tend to be a little over eager. That’s where education is paramount I suppose.

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

my ex father in law lost a chunk of ear and sufferered hearing damage to a middle aged stockbroker who swung through the line for a bird
an inch more badness and an inquest
the chap didnt even understand enough to withdraw from the shoot until told

young or old good and repeated education is best

Brownbear



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I once beat on a commercial shoot, saw all the Merchant Banking oafs staggering out of the lunch tent and went home. All the pheasants ever bred etc - especially if it's me.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 08 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Experience discriminates against the young but idiocy makes no such distinction.

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