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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 44007 Location: Essex

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 9:54 am Post subject: Area of a circle? 

What's the area of a circle with a 3.66mtr diameter?
This is going back to my water problem:
My 16 tonne water tank (3.66m) is going to sit on a concrete base of indeterminate strength and depth, I've been advised by monkey1973 to put another 5" reinforced slab on top, I reckon this will be 14" at the deepest (due to slope) so it's going to be a heck of a lot of concrete, several tonnes I reckon. Wouldn''t the weight of the slab affect the underlying slab? And how much extra area will the load be spread over by doing this?
i.e. Is it worth it? Rich the tractor says he'd probably make a level sand and cement base and lay the tank on top of that.
Any ideas anyone? 




Northern_Lad
Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 14210 Location: Somewhere

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 9:57 am Post subject: 

Pi x radius squared 




Bernie66
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 13967 Location: Eastoft

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 9:57 am Post subject: 

Area of circle is pi r squared. so 3.66 diameter is 1.83 radius. 3.14159265 times 1.83 squared is 10.52 meters square. somebody check my maths!! 




tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 44007 Location: Essex

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 9:58 am Post subject: 

What's Pi? (Haven't had much cause to use it in the 25 years since I left school) 




Bernie66
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 13967 Location: Eastoft

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 9:58 am Post subject: 

Got the same answer twice so i reckon its right 




Bernie66
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 13967 Location: Eastoft

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 10:00 am Post subject: 

tahir wrote: 
What's Pi? (Haven't had much cause to use it in the 25 years since I left school) 
I only use pi and pythagoras now from most of the maths I used in school. other than basic add subtract multiply divide etc. 




Nick
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 33762 Location: Hereford

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 10:01 am Post subject: 

You can treat Pi as 3.14 for most applications. 




Bernie66
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 13967 Location: Eastoft





cab
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 32429

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 10:06 am Post subject: 

pi r squared.
Diameter (d) = 3.66m divided by 2 to give radius (r) =1.83m
1.83m squared (1.83 x 1.83) is 3.3489.
3.3489 times the magic number (pi) (3.1415926.... goes on forever) is 10.520879 square meters, which is ridiculous, or 10.521 square meters.
So my sums give the same answer as Bernie66.
Tahir, sooner or later, when your bairns start asking for help with their homework, you'll have to learn all this
Last edited by cab on Thu May 11, 06 10:08 am; edited 1 time in total 




cab
Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 32429

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 10:08 am Post subject: 

nickhowe wrote: 
You can treat Pi as 3.14 for most applications. 
Or, like me, you can just use whatever number your calculator says it is, and it'll remember more decimal places than I ever will. Lazy, I know... 




dougal
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 7184 Location: South Kent

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Area of a circle? 

tahir wrote: 
This is going back to my water problem:
My 16 tonne water tank ... 
Previously, the tank was to hold something like 24 tonnes of water.
So is this thing 16 tonnes empty? Or a smaller tank?
I can't help but think that some recycled IBC's would be both adequate and cheaper. What's this sort of tankage cost, before the foundation work? 




tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 44007 Location: Essex

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 10:15 am Post subject: 

Bernie66 wrote: 
10.52 meters square. 
OK the slab will be 6x5 so 30 m2. I suppose thats a significantly greater area to spread it over. So should be a useful increase eh? 




tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 44007 Location: Essex

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Area of a circle? 

dougal wrote: 
So is this thing 16 tonnes empty? Or a smaller tank?

A smaller tank, it's £800. We've gone large as the system needs to be expandable. 




dougal
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 7184 Location: South Kent

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 10:37 am Post subject: 

tahir wrote: 
Bernie66 wrote: 
10.52 meters square. 
OK the slab will be 6x5 so 30 m2. I suppose thats a significantly greater area to spread it over. So should be a useful increase eh? 
Again  I know little about 'Civils', BUT
to spread the weight of the tank, you are relying on the *stiffness* of the new slab, which is going to be limited by (if you think abouut the way the slab is going to be bent) the maximum tension that the underside can take.
Concrete is rubbish in tension.
Thats why its often reinforced.
Incorporating some steel bar/mesh should allow the slab to be thinner than if it was unreinforced. (It'd be even better if you could pretension the reinforcement, but that's not AFAIK at all easy...)
£800  well if you could find 20 1tonne (1m cube) IBC's @ £40 each in quantity ... 




tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 44007 Location: Essex

Posted: Thu May 11, 06 10:39 am Post subject: 

dougal wrote: 
you could find 20 1tonne (1m cube) IBC's @ £40 each in quantity ... 
But then you'd have to link em all up.
Just had another thought. what if we break up the old slab and use that as a base for the new? It'd be more expensive but then it'd be a more "proper" job wouldn't it? 




