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tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 1:02 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

TAVASCAROW wrote:
So will silver birch & the timber is useless.
Nice bark though.


Already got birch around here, so not too bad, and it'll be damn pretty, 500 metres of silver birch. (If it's any good as a windbreak)

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

TAVASCAROW wrote:
& you can't coppice birch like ash or sycamore.


I like Ash, just worried about establishing it. Don't mind sycamore either, but how to keep some low level growth?

Tavascarow



Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

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but how to keep some low level growth?

Coppice every 2nd or 3rd one. All the Ash I have here I cut when they reach 4-5" in girth (Fire wood size). Always leaving the thinner stems to thicken. As to water they might need some to establish in a dry summer but once they are going they should cope with anything mother nature has to chuck at them apart from an ice age.

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

TAVASCAROW wrote:
As to water they might need some to establish in a dry summer


Now that is my whole issue, there's no realistic way of watering them.

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Someone's just suggested a 2 tier approach. Hazel as the lower story and oak above it, seeing as we've lost only 1 walnut to drought I think we could go black walnut (timber) and hazels, it'd look nice and seeing as I'll be controlling squirrels anyway I could get to harvest some nuts...

What do we think?

Blue Peter



Joined: 21 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
I'll be controlling squirrels anyway


How will you be controlling squirrels?


Peter.

judith



Joined: 16 Dec 2004
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Location: Montgomeryshire
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Aren't walnuts a bit slow-growing for windbreak?

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

judith wrote:
Aren't walnuts a bit slow-growing for windbreak?


Own root black walnut should be quite quick, it'll need some N fixing though (bugger)

tahir



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Blue Peter wrote:
How will you be controlling squirrels?


Haven't decided yet, it'll be in about 5 years time.

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

tahir wrote:
judith wrote:
Aren't walnuts a bit slow-growing for windbreak?


Own root black walnut should be quite quick, it'll need some N fixing though (bugger)


Although I think at least some of the 1st year problems have been due to some trees growing to vigorously, outstripping available moisture. Which of course meant that the slower growing walnuts did better.

judith



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

There's a lot more to this tree-planting business than first meets the eye, isn't there?

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

judith wrote:
There's a lot more to this tree-planting business than first meets the eye, isn't there?


Not arf

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

coppice ash may work
if it is realy dry maybe mediteranian pines

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

ps thin the squirrels from now on tasty

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 06 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
if it is realy dry maybe mediteranian pines


It's not really that dry, except there's not a huge amount of organic matter to retain moisture so in a summer like this....

I'll be ploughing the line and incorporating some mushroom compost to add some organic matter.

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