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Treacodactyl Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 25795 Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism
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Behemoth
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Treacodactyl Downsizer Moderator
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Behemoth
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dougal
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Silas
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Treacodactyl Downsizer Moderator
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dougal
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 7184 Location: South Kent
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 06 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Treacodactyl wrote: |
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The new Nissan Navara, which is amongst the biggest of the 4x4 is euro 4 compliant and is very clean the road tax is only £110.00 per year. |
I assume the Navara will produce less than 225g of CO2 per kilometre so it'll not pay the higher tax. |
Would you believe it seems to be 226....
https://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/N/nissan/navara05-/navara05--costs.html
Which would indicate a VED bill of £210, not £110 per year.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4834480.stm
At 226 its chucking out almost twice the CO2 per mile or km of a London-sensible Fiesta or C2.
Yes that's less than a Range Rover, but its still (just) in the highest Road Tax (Vehicle Excise Duty) Band.
Currently the cleanest cars, like Insights and IIRC LPG vehicles can pay £10 for an annual London Zone season ticket. The precedent for basing the amount of the charge on the contribution to air quality has long been set.
BTW, its interesting to see how messages become distorted.
Meeting the basic legal requirement isn't all that great a 'green' credential.
If the thing didn't meet "Euro 4" it shouldn't be on sale in the EU - (if not now then by next year, there are specific derogations
for which see https://www.whatvan.co.uk/features.asp?id=4555 )
however the aim of those regs is to cut pollution from the various Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), and as such ain't anything to do with Carbon consumption.
EU Press Release Link
Its not helped by journalists typically sloppy understanding of "pollution".
That said, NOx is arguably *more* important in city centres.
BUT to be fair, the actual levels are not logged against Registration Number (if they are actually published) - the various Euro limits simply set a maximum acceptable limit.
Like i said, meeting the basic legal requirement isn't all that great a 'green' credential for this particular 'monster' 4x4.
Really, shouldn't people be discouraged, by tax charges, from driving things like the Navara
in Central London? |
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Silas
Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 6848 Location: Staffordshire
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 06 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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dougal wrote: |
Treacodactyl wrote: |
Silas wrote: |
The new Nissan Navara, which is amongst the biggest of the 4x4 is euro 4 compliant and is very clean the road tax is only £110.00 per year. |
I assume the Navara will produce less than 225g of CO2 per kilometre so it'll not pay the higher tax. |
Would you believe it seems to be 226....
https://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/N/nissan/navara05-/navara05--costs.html
Which would indicate a VED bill of £210, not £110 per year.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4834480.stm
At 226 its chucking out almost twice the CO2 per mile or km of a London-sensible Fiesta or C2.
Yes that's less than a Range Rover, but its still (just) in the highest Road Tax (Vehicle Excise Duty) Band.
Currently the cleanest cars, like Insights and IIRC LPG vehicles can pay £10 for an annual London Zone season ticket. The precedent for basing the amount of the charge on the contribution to air quality has long been set.
BTW, its interesting to see how messages become distorted.
Meeting the basic legal requirement isn't all that great a 'green' credential.
If the thing didn't meet "Euro 4" it shouldn't be on sale in the EU - (if not now then by next year, there are specific derogations
for which see https://www.whatvan.co.uk/features.asp?id=4555 )
however the aim of those regs is to cut pollution from the various Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), and as such ain't anything to do with Carbon consumption.
EU Press Release Link
Its not helped by journalists typically sloppy understanding of "pollution".
That said, NOx is arguably *more* important in city centres.
BUT to be fair, the actual levels are not logged against Registration Number (if they are actually published) - the various Euro limits simply set a maximum acceptable limit.
Like i said, meeting the basic legal requirement isn't all that great a 'green' credential for this particular 'monster' 4x4.
Really, shouldn't people be discouraged, by tax charges, from driving things like the Navara
in Central London? |
Your information is sadly out of date.
If you bother to check the latest spec vehicles you will discover that you are completely wrong and the VED is in fact £110.00 pa. |
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Silas
Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 6848 Location: Staffordshire
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 06 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Silas wrote: |
dougal wrote: |
Treacodactyl wrote: |
Silas wrote: |
The new Nissan Navara, which is amongst the biggest of the 4x4 is euro 4 compliant and is very clean the road tax is only £110.00 per year. |
I assume the Navara will produce less than 225g of CO2 per kilometre so it'll not pay the higher tax. |
Would you believe it seems to be 226....
https://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/N/nissan/navara05-/navara05--costs.html
Which would indicate a VED bill of £210, not £110 per year.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4834480.stm
At 226 its chucking out almost twice the CO2 per mile or km of a London-sensible Fiesta or C2.
Yes that's less than a Range Rover, but its still (just) in the highest Road Tax (Vehicle Excise Duty) Band.
Currently the cleanest cars, like Insights and IIRC LPG vehicles can pay £10 for an annual London Zone season ticket. The precedent for basing the amount of the charge on the contribution to air quality has long been set.
BTW, its interesting to see how messages become distorted.
Meeting the basic legal requirement isn't all that great a 'green' credential.
If the thing didn't meet "Euro 4" it shouldn't be on sale in the EU - (if not now then by next year, there are specific derogations
for which see https://www.whatvan.co.uk/features.asp?id=4555 )
however the aim of those regs is to cut pollution from the various Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), and as such ain't anything to do with Carbon consumption.
EU Press Release Link
Its not helped by journalists typically sloppy understanding of "pollution".
That said, NOx is arguably *more* important in city centres.
BUT to be fair, the actual levels are not logged against Registration Number (if they are actually published) - the various Euro limits simply set a maximum acceptable limit.
Like i said, meeting the basic legal requirement isn't all that great a 'green' credential for this particular 'monster' 4x4.
Really, shouldn't people be discouraged, by tax charges, from driving things like the Navara
in Central London? |
Your information is sadly out of date.
If you bother to check the latest spec vehicles you will discover that you are completely wrong and the VED is in fact £110.00 pa. |
Incidentally, If you are going to quote someone, then you should allow the quotation to stand AS WRITTEN, to alter it , as you ahve done is at the very least bloody rude. |
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dougal
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 7184 Location: South Kent
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 06 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Silas wrote: |
Your information is sadly out of date.
If you bother to check the latest spec vehicles you will discover that you are completely wrong and the VED is in fact £110.00 pa. |
No, not out of date. Possibly ahead of my time!
I believe it has to do with classification, not emissions.
For vehicles registered up until the end of December, ie for another 6 weeks, they would be taxed as a "TC36 Euro 4 light goods vehicle" - for which the last budget set a flat rate of £110/year, regardless of how ever much carbon the thing consumes.
direct.gov page
It doesn't alter the fact that, if taxed as an ordinary car, it's carbon consumption would put it in the highest category.
By any absolute standard, and by the standard of the average car, this is a polluting gas guzzler.
As I said
Do you have any evidence for a figure of less than 226? |
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