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Saint Georges Mushrooms... Anyone found any yet?
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mochyn



Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 05 9:20 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

I'm hungry now!

Res



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 05 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Platypus wrote:
Now, if somebody could put together a 3D catalogue on the web, where you could rotate, pan and zoom..... WOW!


Now that is something we could do in the glossary, eh Tahir

Res



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 05 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Or at least plan, elevation and side views!

cab



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 05 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

When you get the knack for what identifying features you need to look at, books like Phillips do quite well for mushroom ID'ing. There's more to it than just looking at the picture, you're looking for textures, habitats, smells, and specific diagnostic features such as gill colour, presence or absence of ring, volva, spore print, etc. The picture itself is only part of it, and the best pictures for doing an ID are the ones showing the features you need.

Richy Rich



Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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Location: Coventry - Warwickshire....
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 05 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Cabs last post explains quite well how I was confident on my diagnosis of locating St Georges...

I wanted to re-iterate - when I try to ID a mushroom I use the following -:

1. Time of Year consistency.
2. Weather conditions.
3. Location of find (exposed? field? road side? tree?)
4. Picture of it for ID via web?
5. Cross reference with books...

If I decide to eat them - then I also tell poor wifey what I am doing and if any thing happens to me where the left over Mushrooms are so she can hand it to the doctor trying to resus me...!

In the past I have gone to the extreme of getting a spore print... basically get a white sheet of paper (if dark spores) and leave the cap of the shroom down on the page with a glass over it. After a night or so you are left with a fine print where the cap has been that are the spores.. I once found a bunch of what I thought were psilocybes and wanted to be sure and I think I was right because the spore came up as purple... so I was pretty happy that I had an id...

Richy...

cab



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 05 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'd say that spore prints are quite fundamental; the first thing I do with an unknown is go for a spore print. I might be able to do something with other identifying features, but a spore print is just essential. I keep a bit of white card and a bit of black, put the mushroom gills down half over both, and put a bowl on top. Doesn't take long.

Once you get to know a species it's less of an issue, of course.

mochyn



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 05 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I totally agree on spore prints: vital. Also (and here speaks the designer) beautiful!

Richy Rich



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 05 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I did have a microscope somewhere to be able to look at the spore prints... but how powerful does the microscope need to be?

Richy

cab



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 05 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Richy Rich wrote:
I did have a microscope somewhere to be able to look at the spore prints... but how powerful does the microscope need to be?

Richy


I don't use a microscope, I do a spore print to get the colour. Rarely do you really need to go to spore structure, and if you do, it ain't worth it.

Bugs



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 05 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

mochyn wrote:
I totally agree on spore prints: vital. Also (and here speaks the designer) beautiful!


Aren't they? We've still got some pinned to our dartboard/noticeboard from last year, and I am strongly contemplating collecting some mushrooms this year solely to get some nicely arranged prints from.

mochyn



Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 05 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Hmmm... think I feel a new design of greetings card coming on...

Mat S



Joined: 07 Nov 2004
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Location: Leicester
PostPosted: Thu May 05, 05 9:20 am    Post subject: Huzah! Found some! Reply with quote    

I came home last night via a local crematorium / graveyard looking for some jack by the hedge and what was lurking in the grass? A nice bunch of St Georges shrooms. The mower had had a bit of a go at them but they went very nicely with venison sausages and mash when I got back.

mochyn



Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 05 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Found some yesterday evening a couple of fields away. Brought home a basketful and sliced them. They're now drying on the Rayburn and we'll be picking more at the weekend to make a mushroom and nettle top quiche. Duck eggs, creme fraiche, few herbs: yumm!

Mat S



Joined: 07 Nov 2004
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Location: Leicester
PostPosted: Thu May 05, 05 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

mochyn wrote:
Found some yesterday evening a couple of fields away. Brought home a basketful and sliced them. They're now drying on the Rayburn and we'll be picking more at the weekend to make a mushroom and nettle top quiche. Duck eggs, creme fraiche, few herbs: yumm!


Thanks for the idea. Dinner tonight was leek (mine) and mushroom (St Georges of course) omlette (local duck eggs) with a side order of swiss chard (mine and delicious). Looked and tasted great.

Need to find some more mushrooms now. Didn't pick all the ones I found on Weds but don't want to further deplete them.

Mat

Bugs



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 05 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Would you expect the same patch to have several flushes of mushrooms in this case? Maybe there will be some more next time you go back?

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