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vegplot



Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 08 9:31 am    Post subject: Toy caps  Reply with quote    

This is a little outside the scope of the subject category.

We had the first part of a two part black powder competition last night. For the uninitiated black powder pistol shooting become popular in this country after the handgun ban in 1997 when nearly all pistols and revolvers were removed from public ownership. However, black powder (gunpowder) revolvers were exempt.



It's a relatively cheap sport if you cast your own lead bullets and use black powder (pic) rather the than more expensive substitutes which are 2-3 times the price but don't require an explosives certificate. The caps (small percussion caps used to ignite the main charge) are expensive at around 4.5p each (27p for all six shots) and that doesn't include the powder, ball and wad. We discovered, last night, that toy pistol caps are just as effective and far cheaper thu8s making a very enjoyable sport a little less expensive to partake in.

SteveP



Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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Location: North Devon
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 08 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

These guys may be interested in this
http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=23

Just a thought here but doesn't this make the recent regulations on buying primers a bit pointless if you can just go to the nearest toy store and get something to do the job with no questions asked. However, I cant see it working on centrefire cartridges so maybe the politicians will leave the kids caps unregulated for a while.

Steve

vegplot



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 08 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

SteveP wrote:
Just a thought here but doesn't this make the recent regulations on buying primers a bit pointless if you can just go to the nearest toy store and get something to do the job with no questions asked.


Certainly does but I'm not complaining if it means cheaper shooting.

GENT



Joined: 03 Jun 2008
Posts: 387
Location: Student diggs- coventry.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 08 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

are those the little red ones that come in rings?

vegplot



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 08 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

GENT wrote:
are those the little red ones that come in rings?


Them are they.

GENT



Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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Location: Student diggs- coventry.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 08 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i didnt think they packed that much punch, thats surprising

vegplot



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 08 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

GENT wrote:
i didnt think they packed that much punch, thats surprising


They don't. That's 40 odd grains of black powder sending a .45 calibre lead ball close to 900 feet per second. The caps just start the process, the igniter.

You can see three flames. The largest is burning powder coming out of the muzzle. The second, to the left is due to the small gap between the cylinder and the barrel and the left most is the percussion cap ignition.

GENT



Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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Location: Student diggs- coventry.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 08 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i meant that i am surprised that they even have enough ummph to act as a primer. cool though innit?

vegplot



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 08 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

GENT wrote:
i meant that i am surprised that they even have enough ummph to act as a primer. cool though innit?


Sorry, that was a little patronising. Yes, it is surprising but it does work and very well too.

GENT



Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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Location: Student diggs- coventry.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 08 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

vegplot wrote:

Sorry, that was a little patronising. .


not at all, i didnt make myself clear. its interestng to have a breakdown of the image also. thanks.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 08 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

GENT wrote:
vegplot wrote:

Sorry, that was a little patronising. .


not at all, i didnt make myself clear. its interestng to have a breakdown of the image also. thanks.


It's a open shutter, fire, close shutter picture you wouldn't normaly expect to see all the flames at their most intense at the same time. In fact the effect is enchanced a brurning particles will for a track most obvious in the muzzle flash. In daylight you see very little of the flame just lots of smoke. It's great fun nonetheless.

If you're in the Bangor area anytime let me know and I'll take you to the indoor range and shoot a variety of guns. That goes for any Downsizer, it's an open invite.

GENT



Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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Location: Student diggs- coventry.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 08 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

now ive gotta find a reason to get up there.... hmm, Family holiday? i will ask ginkotree...

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 08 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

amazing what everyday object can do

GENT



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 08 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Indeed... i will give you fifteen minuites with my kitchen cubord and i would love to see what you come up with. or should this go into the cooking forum section?

sorry, my mind is wondering again. sssh! be quiet gent!

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 08 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

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