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dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 19 3:04 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

from the NYT

the one using a victim as a digger was interesting but these are really funky.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 19 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

ps a young sammison came for a daylight recce this am and apart from a bit of sparrow harassment enjoyed the offering of seeds etc.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 19 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Glad they are still around. Hope they soon come back.

Jam Lady



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 19 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Yesterday I went to visit my friend with the exemplary vegetable garden. I had some large cardboard boxes and lots of brown paper for her - she uses both under mulch to deter weeds. Of course we all went down into the garden, "all" meaning her, her daughter, her 2 year old granddaughter and me.

They filled the granddaughter's little wagon with vegetables



and sent me home with vegetables too



But the reason I am posting here is because we saw several beautiful caterpillars of the black swallowtail butterfly.



They feed on carrot greens, dill, and anything else in that plant family. My friend not only grows organically, she's perfectly happy about these beautiful caterpillars. We saw at least half a dozen. Aren't they lovely!

buzzy



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 19 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

They definitely lovely creatures - I'd be happy to have those in my garden eating the carotty plants.

Henry

buzzy



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 19 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I was standing about six feet away from the bird feeder and the sunflower hearts attracted:



Marsh Tit (Poecile palustris)


and:



Nuthatch (Sitta europaea).

The Nuthatch is a new species to the garden this year.

Henry

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 19 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

nice photos from both of you and i got a free id on swallow tail 'pillars, thanks

quite a few arrived with a head of local broccoli and seemed to do ok transferred to the butterfly radishes.
they got big and ambled off so i assume they pupated
i did not know we had them and the 'pillars look unusual.

maybe best they did not see the carrots on an upstairs window ledge

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 19 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

i wonder if an enthusiast had a pregnant skp or if they have got here by other means to end up in a market garden near york.

it will be interesting to see if any adults appear in the future

odd that that arrived on broccoli and ate bolted radishes but needs must perhaps.
they might have migrated in the van or on the stall, they usually have carrots etc as part of the range.

Jam Lady



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 19 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

All swallowtail butterflies are not identical in coloration. They do have the "tails" on the lower wing.

The different species have caterpillars of different appearance, and they feed on different plants as well. Black swallowtail caterpillars feed on dill, parsley, Queen Anne's lace, fennel, carrots, etc

Tiger swallowtail caterpillars feed on ash, cherry, cottonwood, lilac, willow, tulip tree

The only reference that I can find for "who feeds on broccoli" is cabbage white

Too bad, dpack

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 19 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Those caterpillars look rather similar to cabbage white ones to me, but I am sure at larger size there would be differences. There are swallowtails in the UK, but think they are quite rare and confined to very few localities, none near York as far as I am aware. You did well with the vegetables Jam Lady. Most of those are 'greenhouse' for me.

Like the photos Buzzy. We get marsh tits in the woods, and think we may also get nuthatches, but I have never seen one.

The only wildlife I have seen lately is pigeons, one of which managed to drown itself in a bin containing water. I removed carcass and put it out on the track for the buzzard or anything else that has a taste for 'high' meat.

gz



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Location: Ayrshire, Scotland
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 19 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    



Found this on the Rocket in the polytunnel after we'd been away for a fortnight... hopefully it's not going to eat me out of salad like the cabbage whites......

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 19 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

An interesting moth, but no idea what it is. With any luck the caterpillar stage of most butterflies and moths is over now, so we stand a chance of our cabbages and salad growing a bit before the winter.

sgt.colon



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 19 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Does that mean I can un-net my sprouts and cabbages now?

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 19 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

hey ho, learn the common ones dpack

buzzy



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Location: In a small wood on the edge of the Huntingdonshire Wolds
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 19 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

That's a Silver Y (Autographa gamma) gz. Mainly a migrant species, but the ones that arrive in spring may breed, and be reinforced by an autumn wave of incomers. So uncertain which category this falls into, but I have never heard of them being a nuisance. They apparently feed on "a wide variety of low plants" whatever that means.

Henry

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