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Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 23 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Sorry Ty Gwyn, can't see that.

To put the £600m in context that is not going to buy an awful lot of new equipment and often big things are up to £1/2m each.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 23 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

used machinery is cheaper unless it is broken and awaiting a part in the first acre of work, if work is harvest you lose the crop

£600 large
£ 250 000(average price for an efficient, reliable large machine rig)

6000000 divided by 250000= 24000 rigs

some rigs could be generalist, tractor, handling, pto kit etc for general farming

a specialized industrial farm may need several rigs for planting, harvest, processing etc, they are each several times above average cost

it does seem a fair chunk of "free money", however the devil is in the detail and the details usually have an entire pantheon of devils if the current government is involved.

always read and understand the small print and try to establish what was not explicit as well

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 23 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

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Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 23 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Dpak, a lot of kit in some ways, but not in others. Any grant is useful, but having applied for a capital grant with impossible strings attached (using all of a capital grant for deer fencing to be used within 2 years when the overall grant is for 5 years and needs to be put in when coppicing is carried out), I suspect a lot will be unuseable or money
already earmarked.

Ty Gwyn, that is ridiculous. I am not sure what Defra are trying to do, but I suspect the result isn't going to be what they want. 'Rewilding' can work in some cases, but it has to be dealt with sensibly and not just a blanket 'get rid of grazing animals'. Apart from the stupid time scales and the effect it will have on farmers, Dartmoor and other moorland areas are what they are because of grazing. By cutting the numbers of animals so dramatically, a whole eco-system will be destroyed that has been working like that for millennia. The downs near us have a very thriving plant community because of grazing, and where that is stopped or destroyed (no rabbits), it scrubs up and the end result can be very dense woodland with nothing under it. I don't know what the result on Dartmoor would be, but suspect not what they want. In some cases there is overgrazing, but reducing the numbers of animals gradually until the over grazing stops would be a lot more sensible all round. Sadly Dartmoor seems to have a history of sudden and not always sensible changes since becoming a National Park.

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 23 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

it would not be far spread between bovine automegafarms in a box and some macro piggeries and chook sheds

chances are the "strings" will favour cronies and donors rather more than small diverse farms

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