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fresh_meat

Advice required, we've got great contacts for goat meat etc

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this place and stumbled on it while I was doing some research about how to sell high quality goat meat and stumbled on this place, so I would really love some help.

I can get hold of A grade quality young goat meat (under 1 year old), as well as other meats, such as beef, duck and chicken at amazing prices but I don't know how to get this out there and where to sell it, can anyone recommend anything?
fresh_meat

Oh and I'm sorry if I wrote this in the wrong section, as I'm new to this site. Embarassed
sally_in_wales

Tell us a bit about yourself and the meat, are you raising it yourself for example, are you already registered as a meat packager or reseller (some of the others will have better advice on what regs need complying with, that type of thing), it all helps us get an idea of what to suggest Very Happy
sean

In here's fine for the question. I've no idea of the answer though.
fresh_meat

Tell us a bit about yourself and the meat, are you raising it yourself for example, are you already registered as a meat packager or reseller (some of the others will have better advice on what regs need complying with, that type of thing), it all helps us get an idea of what to suggest Very Happy


Well, my business partners are experts in meat (I'm completely new to it) but we are based in London and have contacts from around the world for fresh A grade Halal meat.

My partners want to sell it bulk to businesses they know that want to purchase it but I would ideally like to do it to both, selling to home consumers and also retail.

Oh and to answer your question, my partner said he has all the licenses EC numbers etc but that means nothing to me haha
fresh_meat

In here's fine for the question. I've no idea of the answer though.


Thanks for the confirmation Sean, I don't want to step on any toes and I haven't checked out the whole site yet but it looks like a great place for advice Smile
joanne

So are we talking about extensively reared meat or intensively reared? If it's extensively reared Halal grade meat I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that will be interested.

However if you are talking about cheap imports of intensively reared meat from around the world, I think I'll stick to my current suppliers thanks, money is less the issue than the way in which the the meat has been reared and how far it's travelled to get to me - I don't want cheap intensively reared chicken from Indonesia when I can buy locally reared free-range chicken from just down the road, I may have to pay a bit extra but that's my personal preference
fresh_meat

So are we talking about extensively reared meat or intensively reared? If it's extensively reared Halal grade meat I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that will be interested.

However if you are talking about cheap imports of intensively reared meat from around the world, I think I'll stick to my current suppliers thanks, money is less the issue than the way in which the the meat has been reared and how far it's travelled to get to me - I don't want cheap intensively reared chicken from Indonesia when I can buy locally reared free-range chicken from just down the road, I may have to pay a bit extra but that's my personal preference

That's a good point, I'll make sure to confirm that with the suppliers, as they said they were free range.
I know exactly what you mean, I've been eating corn fed chicken recently and I can really taste a difference.

How much does your current suppliers of goat charge, if you don't mind me asking and do you receive it by courier or do you collect it?
mochyn

Hello and welcome!

I know that I wouldn't buy if it's not meat raised in the UK and I suspect a lot of people here feel the same. Good to have another supplier if it meets my criteria, though.
jema

This does remind me that we need a decent supplier of Goat, but from what I have heard so far I think I'd be looking at one of the existing posters who supplies Goat.
But there is a big gap in the market for Goat in quantities that are more "on demand" than the small scale I think current suppliers here offer.
fresh_meat

Hello and welcome!

I know that I wouldn't buy if it's not meat raised in the UK and I suspect a lot of people here feel the same. Good to have another supplier if it meets my criteria, though.

Hi there,

Thank you for the welcome, it can be quite daunting being on a new forum and I'm trying my best to learn about meat, as I'm new to it, as I normally deal with a different side of sourcing, so I'm trying my best to learn before we invest Smile

Is there any difference/particular reason in getting goat from the UK, rather than other parts of Europe, as my supplier has assured me that it's specifically targeted for the UK market?
fresh_meat

This does remind me that we need a decent supplier of Goat, but from what I have heard so far I think I'd be looking at one of the existing posters who supplies Goat.
But there is a big gap in the market for Goat in quantities that are more "on demand" than the small scale I think current suppliers here offer.

Hi there,

Is there any particular reason why you would prefer to go with someone else, as my business partners are the experts in meat and I'm learning, so any advice would be amazing and I'm eager to improve and be the best on the market?
pookie

I think knowing where your meat comes from, and how it is reared etc is key, certainly if anyone here was thinking about buying from you. Wink mochyn

Along with many people here I try to eat locally produced food: most of the meat I buy (if I haven't raised it myself) comes from within 15 miles of my home, as do ost of my fruit & veg. I'm sure it's excellent meat but I don't buy imports hwen there are British farmers trying to make a living. sally_in_wales

Food miles are a very significant marketing point these days, and the less distance a foodstuff has had to travel from producer to consumer, the better you can highlight the benefits of buying locally and reducing the environmental impact of travel on any of the goods we purchase. It does sound as if one approach might be to try to match buyers to the meat within the country of production. jema

This does remind me that we need a decent supplier of Goat, but from what I have heard so far I think I'd be looking at one of the existing posters who supplies Goat.
But there is a big gap in the market for Goat in quantities that are more "on demand" than the small scale I think current suppliers here offer.

Hi there,

Is there any particular reason why you would prefer to go with someone else, as my business partners are the experts in meat and I'm learning, so any advice would be amazing and I'm eager to improve and be the best on the market?

As everyone is pretty much saying, people on this site prefer local, and to know a lot about the source.
You are saying you will be an importing middleman, I wish you every success if you are aiming to be ethical in what you do, but you are somewhat wide of the mark in your appeal here.
Mrs R

Britain has some of the highest welfare standards in the world....if not the highest, so you can be pretty sure that imported meat is not up to that standard - that's what makes it cheap. This may not matter to some/most consumers, but they are very well served by supermarkets, market stalls, butchers and so on already, so that's who you're competing with.

The same goes for environmentally sensitive meat, most countries don't have the strict controls that the UK does so again, if it's cheap and imported it's unlikely to be up to our standard....if you don't care, you're already at the supermarket/market.

High welfare and lack of terrible chemicals, drugs etc usually add up to high quality meat, and high quality is what people who go out of their way to source their meat away from supermarkets want.

Long story short - your expert friends probably have the right idea about wholesaling it, unless it's a specialist thing like kobe beef, parma ham etc.
sally_in_wales

lets look at this a different way, with possible buyers from this particular site in mind Very Happy

Which of your suppliers is in the UK?
Would you be able to provide a full description of each producer, so that consumers knew exactly where their meat was coming from and what the individual farmer's policies on food, space, welfare, killing and processing and packaging etc were?
Would you be able to guarantee that an order placed on the basis of the above information received meat from that particular flock?

if so, you probably have a good chance of getting business from UK customers who have an interest in low food mile, high welfare, and very tasty meat.
fresh_meat

Thank you very much for everyone's responses, I will definitely look into all these aspects and try to find the best supplier that deals with it ethically, extensively reared and above strict standards, as we only want the best.

Personally, I love meat but love animals more, so I won't be looking to make a quick profit for the sake of animals being treated poorly, which is why I've started to eat cornfed chicken and in return, it tastes better.

Upon doing a bit more research, I will get back to you guys and girls and let you know what we've come up with and if it's suitable for anyone.

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for anyone that requires the meat to be sent by post?

Thanks for all your help everyone, the responses I've got will insure that not only will the business become more successful but that I will be able to help make it more ethical for when I speak to my partners, if it wasn't already at our high standards. Smile
Mrs R

I hate to pee on your bonfire but cornfed chicken merely means it was fed a high proportion of maize to make it look nice and yellowy - it doesn't tell you anything about the welfare of the animal, and all chickens are fed mostly on grain anyway. fresh_meat

I hate to pee on your bonfire but cornfed chicken merely means it was fed a high proportion of maize to make it look nice and yellowy - it doesn't tell you anything about the welfare of the animal, and all chickens are fed mostly on grain anyway.

Hahaha, that response sounded like it was a response from the Mrs, as she said the exact same thing until I told her it was free range cornfed chicken.

Thank you so much to everyone, all this info is really helping me understand meat so much better Smile
Mrs R

it's the freerange bit that's the important bit there then Wink Rob R

The first question I would have to ask from a potential meat supplier is - who are you? fresh_meat

The first question I would have to ask from a potential meat supplier is - who are you?

I currently work in marketing and sales, while coming up with creative advertising but have worked extensively with restaurants and takeaways in the past, while my business partners have helped source products to many restaurants and takeaways, while they also have strong contacts with factories and suppliers within the UK, so we've decided to take this further and supply on a bigger scale.

I do have very strong ethics and at the moment, I am doing research into this side of things and playing catch up with what my partners already know about this and want to target the wholesale and home consumer market to offer better value than supermarkets etc. Smile
Rob R

Sounds good, but literally what is your name, address, contact details and the names of your partners, do you have a website/any other information? Mrs R

offering better value than supermarkets? That is a taaaall order, they have muchos millions behind them. You can also beat them on value, but not convenience, and then people are happy to pay the little extra to them, because they can find one in every town, find everything they need in one place etc. If you just sell meat, you're at a disadvantage already. Green Rosie

But how many supermarkets sell goat meat? Mrs R

if they don't, why is that? There's nothing stopping them importing it.... fresh_meat

Sounds good, but literally what is your name, address, contact details and the names of your partners, do you have a website/any other information?

We haven't launched yet but at the moment, I'm just doing a bit more research, to understand the market a bit better but we should be able to get a official business entity, website etc within a few weeks but in the mean time, if you would like to contact me via PM or on this thread, I can let you know once we've launched and be able to offer more details on everything. Smile
fresh_meat

offering better value than supermarkets? That is a taaaall order, they have muchos millions behind them. You can also beat them on value, but not convenience, and then people are happy to pay the little extra to them, because they can find one in every town, find everything they need in one place etc. If you just sell meat, you're at a disadvantage already.

I know you may think it's quite difficult to compete with supermarkets but you'd be surprised, as from what we can see, supermarkets make the majority of the money, rather than the farmers benefiting.

For example, supermarkets sell chicken breasts for of around 400g for around the £4 mark, whereas I purchased 10kg of chicken breasts for £22.
At the prices mentioned above, that 10kg batch would of cost approx £100 from the supermarket.

Yes, obviously, they will be more convenient in terms of being able to collect 7 days a week from their local supermarket but we have got some big plans to expand in the near future, which I can't reveal at the moment.
fresh_meat

But how many supermarkets sell goat meat?

Good point and that's exactly why we're launching with more specialised products. Wink
Chez

And this is your 'free-range corn-fed' chicken? Mrs R

offering better value than supermarkets? That is a taaaall order, they have muchos millions behind them. You can also beat them on value, but not convenience, and then people are happy to pay the little extra to them, because they can find one in every town, find everything they need in one place etc. If you just sell meat, you're at a disadvantage already.

I know you may think it's quite difficult to compete with supermarkets but you'd be surprised, as from what we can see, supermarkets make the majority of the money, rather than the farmers benefiting.

For example, supermarkets sell chicken breasts for of around 400g for around the £4 mark, whereas I purchased 10kg of chicken breasts for £22.
At the prices mentioned above, that 10kg batch would of cost approx £100 from the supermarket.

Yes, obviously, they will be more convenient in terms of being able to collect 7 days a week from their local supermarket but we have got some big plans to expand in the near future, which I can't reveal at the moment.

Aye, but the supermarkets do pay for their premises, and range, which offer so much convenience to the consumers. Were you to offer that, you'd seriously eat into your margin on the chicken breasts. If you don't do that, how are you going to tempt people away from the supermarkets?

I do it (or try to), and it's bloody hard work! Our product isn't cheap imported stuff either...your idea strikes me as too good to be true - up to british standards but better value than the big boys?
Mrs R

But how many supermarkets sell goat meat?

Good point and that's exactly why we're launching with more specialised products. Wink

specialised isn't imported in large enough quantities to justify the importation and cheap enough to tempt people away from supermarkets with none of the convenience.....

you probably can offer specialist stuff and that's a better route to go down if you're selling direct, but not more cheaply than supermarkets, and you'll never make the money they do with it.
jema

I have always thought that between what the farmer gets from the supermarkets and what the consumer pays, that there is room for ethical production and sales at a price to the consumer that is not as eye watering as the typical farmers market I see. Ty Gwyn

Re: How do I start off,I've got great contacts for goat meat

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this place and stumbled on it while I was doing some research about how to sell high quality goat meat and stumbled on this place, so I would really love some help.

I can get hold of A grade quality young goat meat (under 1 year old), as well as other meats, such as beef, duck and chicken at amazing prices but I don't know how to get this out there and where to sell it, can anyone recommend anything?

You mention above,you can get hold of Grade A meats,at amazing prices,What countries does it come from.?

You also mention,that you dont know how to get it out there,but in later posts ,you mention your partners with contacts in Take aways and Factories,seems it is already out there,

And surely,if your in Marketing,you could be helping us,not asking us how to market Imported produce.

Its a bit like asking us,to shoot ourselves in the foot.
Mrs R

I have always thought that between what the farmer gets from the supermarkets and what the consumer pays, that there is room for ethical production and sales at a price to the consumer that is not as eye watering as the typical farmers market I see.

I would hope that what rosewood offers is just that, but our margins are eye wateringly small, it's not the sort of thing you make supermarket sized money on and if you're importing, you have to make it worth it, especially if you are apparently importing stuff that is as good as or better than british stuff. That just isn't going to come cheap-cheap, and won't sell in vast quantities.
Rob R

Sounds good, but literally what is your name, address, contact details and the names of your partners, do you have a website/any other information?

We haven't launched yet but at the moment, I'm just doing a bit more research, to understand the market a bit better but we should be able to get a official business entity, website etc within a few weeks but in the mean time, if you would like to contact me via PM or on this thread, I can let you know once we've launched and be able to offer more details on everything. Smile

I'm good for meat at the moment thanks, but it all sounds a bit dodgy. I can see that you might not have the website in place but it can't be an official secret as to who you and your business partners are? It is pretty important when selling this way that people know who it is they are dealing with.
Behemoth

Just a bit. s kirstyfern

noble foods contacted me, they are looking to buy goat meat in quantity, I would say they are your first port of call. I have contact info if you email me crofter

...your idea strikes me as too good to be true - up to british standards but better value than the big boys?

Are british standards better than the rest of europe?
fresh_meat

And this is your 'free-range corn-fed' chicken?

No, it's not my own cornfed freerange chicken, as I don't know where the suppliers picked it up from but I'm just saying that's what I've been eating recently and been picking it up for around half the price from supermarkets.
fresh_meat

offering better value than supermarkets? That is a taaaall order, they have muchos millions behind them. You can also beat them on value, but not convenience, and then people are happy to pay the little extra to them, because they can find one in every town, find everything they need in one place etc. If you just sell meat, you're at a disadvantage already.

I know you may think it's quite difficult to compete with supermarkets but you'd be surprised, as from what we can see, supermarkets make the majority of the money, rather than the farmers benefiting.

For example, supermarkets sell chicken breasts for of around 400g for around the £4 mark, whereas I purchased 10kg of chicken breasts for £22.
At the prices mentioned above, that 10kg batch would of cost approx £100 from the supermarket.

Yes, obviously, they will be more convenient in terms of being able to collect 7 days a week from their local supermarket but we have got some big plans to expand in the near future, which I can't reveal at the moment.

Aye, but the supermarkets do pay for their premises, and range, which offer so much convenience to the consumers. Were you to offer that, you'd seriously eat into your margin on the chicken breasts. If you don't do that, how are you going to tempt people away from the supermarkets?

I do it (or try to), and it's bloody hard work! Our product isn't cheap imported stuff either...your idea strikes me as too good to be true - up to british standards but better value than the big boys?

Oh of course, there's no way we would be able to pay for the premises and staff they pay for etc, which is why we wouldn't be able to afford aspects like this, so it would literally be a case of us delivering from our cold rooms etc
fresh_meat

Re: How do I start off,I've got great contacts for goat meat

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this place and stumbled on it while I was doing some research about how to sell high quality goat meat and stumbled on this place, so I would really love some help.

I can get hold of A grade quality young goat meat (under 1 year old), as well as other meats, such as beef, duck and chicken at amazing prices but I don't know how to get this out there and where to sell it, can anyone recommend anything?

You mention above,you can get hold of Grade A meats,at amazing prices,What countries does it come from.?

You also mention,that you dont know how to get it out there,but in later posts ,you mention your partners with contacts in Take aways and Factories,seems it is already out there,

And surely,if your in Marketing,you could be helping us,not asking us how to market Imported produce.

Its a bit like asking us,to shoot ourselves in the foot.

I don't know if my partners would be happy with me divulging the information of where our produce would come from before we've launched but I can confirm it isn't far from the UK at all. Smile

I am in marketing but I haven't done marketing on wholesale or on the meat market and I've learnt a lot from the people on this good forum and at the moment, I'm collecting ideas and understanding meat a lot better thanks to everyone replying to this thread, so much appreciated everyone. Smile

The factories etc are there contacts, so I don't know much about that side of things and I'm learning very quickly and will be an expert in everything before it launches Smile
fresh_meat

Sounds good, but literally what is your name, address, contact details and the names of your partners, do you have a website/any other information?

We haven't launched yet but at the moment, I'm just doing a bit more research, to understand the market a bit better but we should be able to get a official business entity, website etc within a few weeks but in the mean time, if you would like to contact me via PM or on this thread, I can let you know once we've launched and be able to offer more details on everything. Smile

I'm good for meat at the moment thanks, but it all sounds a bit dodgy. I can see that you might not have the website in place but it can't be an official secret as to who you and your business partners are? It is pretty important when selling this way that people know who it is they are dealing with.

No problem but I would like to ask which part you think sounds dodgy, as we haven't launched yet?
Once we do officially launch, I would be more than happy to provide you with company information, websites, names etc but at the moment, I am trying to learn the field quickly.

I do agree with you, it's important to definitely know who you're dealing with before anyone spends any money with us, as we want everyone to feel safe and keep coming back for repeat business and spread the word.
fresh_meat

noble foods contacted me, they are looking to buy goat meat in quantity, I would say they are your first port of call. I have contact info if you email me

That would be great, thank you so much, that would be brilliant for once we've launched. Very Happy
Chez

And this is your 'free-range corn-fed' chicken?

No, it's not my own cornfed freerange chicken, as I don't know where the suppliers picked it up from but I'm just saying that's what I've been eating recently and been picking it up for around half the price from supermarkets.

Let me clarify - you mean that your suppliers are able to supply you with free-range chicken breasts at £22 for 10kg?

My questions as a consumer would include:

1. Where is it from?
2. How do the producers define free-range?
3. What are the birds fed on?
4. What official bodies check on the welfare of the birds?
5. How are they slaughtered?

I would hesitate to purchase meat from anyone using the term 'picked it up from' in relation to supply.
fresh_meat

...your idea strikes me as too good to be true - up to british standards but better value than the big boys?

Are british standards better than the rest of europe?

I don't know too much in this field yet but I know British standards are much stricter than most of the world, as they generally take better care of the animals etc but my supplier confirms it directly caters for the UK market and it's strict guidelines.
Ty Gwyn

Re: How do I start off,I've got great contacts for goat meat

[quote="fresh_meat:



I don't know if my partners would be happy with me divulging the information of where our produce would come from before we've launched but I can confirm it isn't far from the UK at all. Smile


The mention of Take aways,has virtually answered the source of the meats.

I am in marketing but I haven't done marketing on wholesale or on the meat market and I've learnt a lot from the people on this good forum and at the moment, I'm collecting ideas and understanding meat a lot better thanks to everyone replying to this thread, so much appreciated everyone. Smile


But your partners have experience in supplying Take aways?

The factories etc are there contacts, so I don't know much about that side of things and I'm learning very quickly and will be an expert in everything before it launches Smile[/quote]


So your going into partnership ,with people you say ,supply Take aways,and have contacts with Factories,yet your asking on here for advice,seems you need to learn about your partners first.
fresh_meat

And this is your 'free-range corn-fed' chicken?

No, it's not my own cornfed freerange chicken, as I don't know where the suppliers picked it up from but I'm just saying that's what I've been eating recently and been picking it up for around half the price from supermarkets.

Let me clarify - you mean that your suppliers are able to supply you with free-range chicken breasts at £22 for 10kg?

My questions as a consumer would include:

1. Where is it from?
2. How do the producers define free-range?
3. What are the birds fed on?
4. What official bodies check on the welfare of the birds?
5. How are they slaughtered?

I would hesitate to purchase meat from anyone using the term 'picked it up from' in relation to supply.

Good questions, I will definitely ask them before we purchase anything, as we want to make sure we want to make sure we get the best quality and not just make the best margins, as that's not what our objectives are.

My apologies for being too informal in that statement about collecting some produce.
Chez

we want to make sure we want to make sure we get the best quality and not just make the best margins, as that's not what our objectives are.

That is not the impression you are giving.
bagpuss

And this is your 'free-range corn-fed' chicken?

No, it's not my own cornfed freerange chicken, as I don't know where the suppliers picked it up from but I'm just saying that's what I've been eating recently and been picking it up for around half the price from supermarkets.

I think we are suspcious as to how free range it is if it can be sold at half the price that supermarkets sell free range
fresh_meat

Re: How do I start off,I've got great contacts for goat meat

[quote="fresh_meat:



I don't know if my partners would be happy with me divulging the information of where our produce would come from before we've launched but I can confirm it isn't far from the UK at all. Smile


The mention of Take aways,has virtually answered the source of the meats.

I am in marketing but I haven't done marketing on wholesale or on the meat market and I've learnt a lot from the people on this good forum and at the moment, I'm collecting ideas and understanding meat a lot better thanks to everyone replying to this thread, so much appreciated everyone. Smile


But your partners have experience in supplying Take aways?

The factories etc are there contacts, so I don't know much about that side of things and I'm learning very quickly and will be an expert in everything before it launches Smile


So your going into partnership ,with people you say ,supply Take aways,and have contacts with Factories,yet your asking on here for advice,seems you need to learn about your partners first.[/quote]

I know my partners quite well but I've worked with them on different projects, not on meat background etc but as mentioned above, I am eager to learn quickly on all aspects.
Chez

I think we are suspcious as to how free range it is if it can be sold at half the price that supermarkets sell free range

Bagpuss! Honestly! The very idea!
fresh_meat

we want to make sure we want to make sure we get the best quality and not just make the best margins, as that's not what our objectives are.

That is not the impression you are giving.

Well put it this way, if it's not at a high quality level, I wouldn't want to deal with it, which is why I'm considering this as research.
We do have contacts with different quality levels of A grade but I will research this thoroughly to make sure everything is sufficient to be at an acceptable level for what our customers requirements are.
Chez

Surely something is either A grade or it's not A grade? fresh_meat

And this is your 'free-range corn-fed' chicken?

No, it's not my own cornfed freerange chicken, as I don't know where the suppliers picked it up from but I'm just saying that's what I've been eating recently and been picking it up for around half the price from supermarkets.

I think we are suspcious as to how free range it is if it can be sold at half the price that supermarkets sell free range

Well, when I purchased it, one of the leading supermarkets were selling the same volume for around £7.50, whereas I purchased it for £4.

I didn't actually ask them how free range it was but I know this supplier sells to some of the best top restaurants in the UK, so I assume the quality would be sufficient for my pallet. Smile
bagpuss

It is more difficult but it is possible to produce good meat intensively but it is impossible to produce ethical meat intensively unless your ethics allow for animal cruelty fresh_meat

Surely something is either A grade or it's not A grade?

Well, this is the thing, I thought that it was just a case of A grade and that there wasn't much else to know but as the people responding in this thread are stating, there is a lot more to it than that. Smile

I have eaten the food myself as samples and as someone who dines frequently at many top restaurants in London, my girlfriend and I highly praised the meat quality.
bagpuss

And this is your 'free-range corn-fed' chicken?

No, it's not my own cornfed freerange chicken, as I don't know where the suppliers picked it up from but I'm just saying that's what I've been eating recently and been picking it up for around half the price from supermarkets.

I think we are suspcious as to how free range it is if it can be sold at half the price that supermarkets sell free range

Well, when I purchased it, one of the leading supermarkets were selling the same volume for around £7.50, whereas I purchased it for £4.

I didn't actually ask them how free range it was but I know this supplier sells to some of the best top restaurants in the UK, so I assume the quality would be sufficient for my pallet. Smile

again you seem to be confusing quality with ethical production. I dont doubt that restaurants buy good quality meat but it doesn't mean it has been reared with plenty of space and good conditions
fresh_meat

It is more difficult but it is possible to produce good meat intensively but it is impossible to produce ethical meat intensively unless your ethics allow for animal cruelty

Hi Bagpuss,

Ok, can you please let me know what you recommend what I look out for, as I'm new to this field and I'm eager to learn? Smile

Much appreciated for all the constructive comments and all are definitely noted.
Ty Gwyn

Re: How do I start off,I've got great contacts for goat meat

[quote="fresh_meat:

I know my partners quite well but I've worked with them on different projects, not on meat background etc but as mentioned above, I am eager to learn quickly on all aspects.[/quote]


If you know your partners that well,then you know where the various meats come from,as they supplied Take aways you mentioned,and had contacts with Factories,presumably where the Cheap chicken breasts came from.

Grade A you mentioned,never seen that grade in a take away.
crofter

but it is impossible to produce ethical meat intensively unless your ethics allow for animal cruelty

Are you sure? What is your definition of "ethical" meat?
bagpuss

If the supplier can tell you which farm the meat came from and you can't online find the supplier then be very suspicious. If you have an address have a look on google earth and see the lay of the land, if there are large sheds then you might want to be suspicious aswell

Free range may still mean the birds are well packed into sheds, just the door is open some of the time
fresh_meat

Re: How do I start off,I've got great contacts for goat meat

[quote="fresh_meat]

I know my partners quite well but I've worked with them on different projects, not on meat background etc but as mentioned above, I am eager to learn quickly on all aspects.


If you know your partners that well,then you know where the various meats come from,as they supplied Take aways you mentioned,and had contacts with Factories,presumably where the Cheap chicken breasts came from.

Grade A you mentioned,never seen that grade in a take away.[/quote]

They supply to restaurants and takeaways but I never had any reason to request details of who and where they purchase their produce from, as that was never my business, as my objective was to obtain more business for them. Smile
Chez

Re: How do I start off,I've got great contacts for goat meat

I never had any reason to request details of who and where they purchase their produce from, as that was never my business, as my objective was to obtain more business for them. Smile

How ethical of you.
bagpuss

but it is impossible to produce ethical meat intensively unless your ethics allow for animal cruelty

Are you sure? What is your definition of "ethical" meat?

As intensive generally means animals are treated in a manner where the bottom line is more important than their welfare I am fairly sure than unless your ethics allow for animal cruelty that you can't get ethical intensively reared meat

If you can give me an example of intensive animal rearing which isn't also cruel I would love to know as it might make my meat purchases much cheaper
bagpuss

Re: How do I start off,I've got great contacts for goat meat

fresh_meat wrote:


fresh_meat wrote:

I know my partners quite well but I've worked with them on different projects, not on meat background etc but as mentioned above, I am eager to learn quickly on all aspects.



If you know your partners that well,then you know where the various meats come from,as they supplied Take aways you mentioned,and had contacts with Factories,presumably where the Cheap chicken breasts came from.

Grade A you mentioned,never seen that grade in a take away.


They supply to restaurants and takeaways but I never had any reason to request details of who and where they purchase their produce from, as that was never my business, as my objective was to obtain more business for them. Smile

Unfortunately lack of interest is one of the ways poor animal husbandry is allowed to continue. Getting business for people who don't track where their meat comes from of course means not talking about it from a marketing point of view

That being said if you continue to supply/market such businesses it kind of shoots wholes in your wish to supply ethically reared meat to consumers
crofter

but it is impossible to produce ethical meat intensively unless your ethics allow for animal cruelty

Are you sure? What is your definition of "ethical" meat?

As intensive generally means animals are treated in a manner where the bottom line is more important than their welfare I am fairly sure than unless your ethics allow for animal cruelty that you can't get ethical intensively reared meat

If you can give me an example of intensive animal rearing which isn't also cruel I would love to know as it might make my meat purchases much cheaper

Rob R (for example) if I understand his system correctly, is cramming all his cows into a small area of grass, then moving them into another small area when they have finished grazing the first. Very intensive, but not at all cruel, I would suggest.
Rob R

Which part of Nigeria are you from? I'm pretty sure I had an e-mail from you earlier today. bagpuss

but it is impossible to produce ethical meat intensively unless your ethics allow for animal cruelty

Are you sure? What is your definition of "ethical" meat?

As intensive generally means animals are treated in a manner where the bottom line is more important than their welfare I am fairly sure than unless your ethics allow for animal cruelty that you can't get ethical intensively reared meat

If you can give me an example of intensive animal rearing which isn't also cruel I would love to know as it might make my meat purchases much cheaper

Rob R (for example) if I understand his system correctly, is cramming all his cows into a small area of grass, then moving them into another small area when they have finished grazing the first. Very intensive, but not at all cruel, I would suggest.

I doubt Rob R would suggest their method is in anyway intensive. I don't know what the small density it but I would be very surprised if the cows are stood side by side with limited room to move as most "intensive" farms stock their livestock
crofter

Another example, of extensive vs intensive, to show that things are not clear cut. All around here, the hills are stocked with sheep year round. They are stocked at low densities, very "extensively" but if it is a hard winter with long periods of snow, it is literally survival of the fittest - sheep will starve to death because nobody can get up there to feed them. In my opinion, that is cruel, although it is an extensive system. Better to winter them intensively, perhaps even indoors a barn, where they can be fed and tended to more easily? Ty Gwyn

Now,Now,thats being Ethnical,

Not Ethical.
Pilsbury

Surely something is either A grade or it's not A grade?

Well, this is the thing, I thought that it was just a case of A grade and that there wasn't much else to know but as the people responding in this thread are stating, there is a lot more to it than that. Smile

I have eaten the food myself as samples and as someone who dines frequently at many top restaurants in London, my girlfriend and I highly praised the meat quality.

my bold.
And as a chef who has cooked and visited the kitchens of many top restaurants in London as well as now visiting some of their suppliers i cna assure you we can make the cheapest crappyist meat in the country taste pretty special to the average customer.
Nothing in the taste once its smothered in a rich chassure sauce or minced into a ballotine with trufles and garlic will tell you the provenance of the meat, the real taste test is to lightly season the meat and then cook as lightly as you can, grill a chicken breast for a few mins or a steak medium and taste that, no sauce, no dressing up, thats how you can tell if a peice of meat is flavoursome, succulent and tender. if it is, and its been raised extensively in the uk then people here would be interested in your product, pretty much regardless of price.
Pilsbury

Oh and where i am goat meat is freely available and pretty cheap, queens market sells it by the ton although you do have to check its goat not mutton that they offten sell as goat since its a universal replacement in the carrabian RichardW

Which part of Nigeria are you from? I'm pretty sure I had an e-mail from you earlier today.

Splutter,

That my keyboard stuffed Confused Confused Confused
Rob R


Rob R (for example) if I understand his system correctly, is cramming all his cows into a small area of grass, then moving them into another small area when they have finished grazing the first. Very intensive, but not at all cruel, I would suggest.

I wouldn't exactly use the word crammed, but other than that, yes, they only get access to one days worth of grazing. High Intensity, Low Frequency grazing is how I describe it.
T.G

Quote:
I'm new to this place and stumbled on it while I was doing some research about how to sell high quality goat meat and stumbled on this place, so I would really love some help.

I can get hold of A grade quality young goat meat (under 1 year old), as well as other meats, such as beef, duck and chicken at amazing prices but I don't know how to get this out there and where to sell it, can anyone recommend anything?


Iím confused by the whole of this threadÖ

You say you have partners who are well versed in the supply of meat, yet you are the one doing the marketing and have no real depth of knowledge of what you are marketing.

You say the partners sell already to takeaways and restaurants Ė but you say in your OP that you donít know Ďhow to get your product out thereí, so why arenít you using the expertise of these partners.

Ethical meat is not known to be cheap because if it was everyone would be producing it and there would be no real distinction between cheaper intensive farmed meat and pricey ethical meat.

Free range isnít ordinarily synonymous with cheap nor allow for mass production. Therefore, cheap free range chicken would suggest that somewhere along the way the wording/production are being spun to the end aim.

Meat produced outside the UK has to be questioned on the basis of ethical production, the sense in transporting it Ė I wouldnít think it was ethical to transport meat that was deemed cheap and undercut British farmers.

Quality is quality, be it A grade or becoming and expert-you canít become an expert in a field you have no prior knowledge of by asking a few questions on a forum, it takes years of hands on experience. The same way you canít claim A grade meat is viewed as A grade meat because itís sold in some fancy London restaurant. Our freezers are full of Aígrade meat Ė bred, fed and dead from and by local sources.

What I donít understand the most, is if you have such expertise in the meat field via your partners knowledge, why havenít you had them explain the Ďmeatí to you more clearly, why are you not asking them the question in the OP. How is it they do not know how to get into the market place, yet your partners already sell meat, you claim you are planning a website and have it all in-hand and why if the meat was so good and so cheap and so well treated is it not already out there?

Without trying to appear too rude, the crux I get from your post and replies is as follows:

It seems you are advertising a product you know little to nothing about, want some fast track into an established market place where you plan to undercut and out sell rivals who youíll butter-up to glean as much free info from without having to do the donkey work. Provide little to no information to consolidate who and what you and your partners are. You donít appear to know or care where the meat comes from, if itís A grade or just told to be and as long as you can sell it fast and make money itís all ok Ö Am I wrong?
crofter


Rob R (for example) if I understand his system correctly, is cramming all his cows into a small area of grass, then moving them into another small area when they have finished grazing the first. Very intensive, but not at all cruel, I would suggest.

I wouldn't exactly use the word crammed, but other than that, yes, they only get access to one days worth of grazing. High Intensity, Low Frequency grazing is how I describe it.

Yes, sorry, "crammed" is a bit emotive... but would you describe it as an intensive system?
Tavascarow

Quote:
I'm new to this place and stumbled on it while I was doing some research about how to sell high quality goat meat and stumbled on this place, so I would really love some help.

I can get hold of A grade quality young goat meat (under 1 year old), as well as other meats, such as beef, duck and chicken at amazing prices but I don't know how to get this out there and where to sell it, can anyone recommend anything?


Iím confused by the whole of this threadÖ

You say you have partners who are well versed in the supply of meat, yet you are the one doing the marketing and have no real depth of knowledge of what you are marketing.

You say the partners sell already to takeaways and restaurants Ė but you say in your OP that you donít know Ďhow to get your product out thereí, so why arenít you using the expertise of these partners.

Ethical meat is not known to be cheap because if it was everyone would be producing it and there would be no real distinction between cheaper intensive farmed meat and pricey ethical meat.

Free range isnít ordinarily synonymous with cheap nor allow for mass production. Therefore, cheap free range chicken would suggest that somewhere along the way the wording/production are being spun to the end aim.

Meat produced outside the UK has to be questioned on the basis of ethical production, the sense in transporting it Ė I wouldnít think it was ethical to transport meat that was deemed cheap and undercut British farmers.

Quality is quality, be it A grade or becoming and expert-you canít become an expert in a field you have no prior knowledge of by asking a few questions on a forum, it takes years of hands on experience. The same way you canít claim A grade meat is viewed as A grade meat because itís sold in some fancy London restaurant. Our freezers are full of Aígrade meat Ė bred, fed and dead from and by local sources.

What I donít understand the most, is if you have such expertise in the meat field via your partners knowledge, why havenít you had them explain the Ďmeatí to you more clearly, why are you not asking them the question in the OP. How is it they do not know how to get into the market place, yet your partners already sell meat, you claim you are planning a website and have it all in-hand and why if the meat was so good and so cheap and so well treated is it not already out there?

Without trying to appear too rude, the crux I get from your post and replies is as follows:

It seems you are advertising a product you know little to nothing about, want some fast track into an established market place where you plan to undercut and out sell rivals who youíll butter-up to glean as much free info from without having to do the donkey work. Provide little to no information to consolidate who and what you and your partners are. You donít appear to know or care where the meat comes from, if itís A grade or just told to be and as long as you can sell it fast and make money itís all ok Ö Am I wrong?
I think his 'partners' have taken him onboard to expand the business & open up new markets.
I'm much the same as many here what meat I eat comes from a local butcher who knows his trade well.
My grandfather sold to his grandfather & supporting my local economy is important to me.
Wish he stocked some goat though.


Wink
Rob R


Rob R (for example) if I understand his system correctly, is cramming all his cows into a small area of grass, then moving them into another small area when they have finished grazing the first. Very intensive, but not at all cruel, I would suggest.

I wouldn't exactly use the word crammed, but other than that, yes, they only get access to one days worth of grazing. High Intensity, Low Frequency grazing is how I describe it.

Yes, sorry, "crammed" is a bit emotive... but would you describe it as an intensive system?

Yes, I have many times here on the forum. Extensive, to me, means a low level of management - we do have some extensive conservation grazing though. As to whether we are an extensive or intensive farm is up for debate. I don't tend to use the terms intensive/extensive for that very reason.
Rob R

I think the OP would perhaps be interested in this thread. Wink dpack

my customers are introduced to their meat by name ,sometimes when it is still on the hoof

traceable is important for those who want ethically raised and top quality meat

i know how my food lives ,i have had a nice chat with most of it

knowledge of food is gained by looking ,asking and eating .takes a lifetime

ps i sell meat by giving a sample and taking an order .i will rephrase that ,i give a sample ,the meat sells itself .

pps i would rather sell a small volume of meat that has an ethical history than large amount that i would not eat
Chez

He's not talking about 'ethical' though. He's talking about some indefinable 'quality meat'. alice

I'm probably being horribly unfair but it reads to me like someone has an inexhaustible supply of bush meat and having had some success selling it wholesale, they're now trying to find the best way to dress it up for retail. Chez

What IS bushmeat, exactly? I've heard the term before, but not really in enough context to work it out. Pilsbury

What IS bushmeat, exactly? I've heard the term before, but not really in enough context to work it out.
basically any wild animal caught and killed in the wild, or bush, in the country but they will catch and kill anythng, monkey, lizards, ect.

the UK version of bushmeat would be squirral, hedgehog, badger, fox, rabbit, pidgeons, doves, mice, rats..... that sort of thing
alice

I daren't say - not in the context of this thread. It'd be libellous Wink Ty Gwyn

Monkey is one type,

Although Bush meat is Illegal to import into the UK,

Tons upon tons have been confiscated at the airports
Chez

Nice puke_r dpack

What IS bushmeat, exactly? I've heard the term before, but not really in enough context to work it out.
basically any wild animal caught and killed in the wild, or bush, in the country but they will catch and kill anythng, monkey, lizards, ect.

the UK version of bushmeat would be squirral, hedgehog, badger, fox, rabbit, pidgeons, doves, mice, rats..... that sort of thing

fox ,mice and rats are off the menu today,bushmeat can be ethical
dpack

Re: How do I start off,I've got great contacts for goat meat

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this place and stumbled on it while I was doing some research about how to sell high quality goat meat and stumbled on this place, so I would really love some help.

I can get hold of A grade quality young goat meat (under 1 year old), as well as other meats, such as beef, duck and chicken at amazing prices but I don't know how to get this out there and where to sell it, can anyone recommend anything?

You mention above,you can get hold of Grade A meats,at amazing prices,What countries does it come from.?

You also mention,that you dont know how to get it out there,but in later posts ,you mention your partners with contacts in Take aways and Factories,seems it is already out there,

And surely,if your in Marketing,you could be helping us,not asking us how to market Imported produce.

Its a bit like asking us,to shoot ourselves in the foot.

yee haaar
Tavascarow


Rob R (for example) if I understand his system correctly, is cramming all his cows into a small area of grass, then moving them into another small area when they have finished grazing the first. Very intensive, but not at all cruel, I would suggest.

I wouldn't exactly use the word crammed, but other than that, yes, they only get access to one days worth of grazing. High Intensity, Low Frequency grazing is how I describe it.
So what's the difference between 'mob stocking' & strip grazing?
Ty Gwyn

I would imagine the only difference being a rear fence,to restrict movement over already grazed land. Rob R

I would imagine the only difference being a rear fence,to restrict movement over already grazed land.

That is the fundamental difference.
Tavascarow

I would imagine the only difference being a rear fence,to restrict movement over already grazed land.

That is the fundamental difference. Is it necessary, whenever I've strip grazed, the animals have always stayed close to their food anyway.
Seems like more work for not much gain IMO.
Ty Gwyn

Concentrated dunging pattern,

I thought you were a Son and Grandson of Farmers?
Rob R

Is it necessary, whenever I've strip grazed, the animals have always stayed close to their food anyway.
Seems like more work for not much gain IMO.

I've stripped grazed too and they don't stay that close. Over time you notice the difference as they have their preferred lying areas and where they lie, they crap, which leads to nutrient transfer from parts of the field to others. Over time this means the grass grows less evenly across the field, mitigated somewhat by the fact that they will compact and poach the popular areas, in which case you'll end up with no grass in some areas because there's no nutrients & no grass in others because it's paddled up.

ETA - Another advantage is that the herd gets used to being called and walking through a gate, which, when you're set stocking in a large field is very useful as you can stand at the gate and shout.

Not letting them return to the grazed area is crucial too to the avoidance of artificial inputs. The grass needs chance to regrow in order to have the maximum sunlight harvesting potential.
Behemoth

Back on thread, I'm not really sure what the OP wants or is doing.

As a certified idiot I can't help feeling this si the groundwork for the offer of a share in a dead cert deal that only relies on a couple of grand upfront.

I hope I'm wrong.
mochyn

With my pedant's hat firmly on I'm reluctant to place much credence in the OP's claims because the spelling and grammar are atrocious! Laughing Now, if the OP was someone working with livestock I wouldn't care about that: pigs don't care about grammar. However, I would have thought that, for a successful marketing career, a basic grasp of English would be essential.

I'm afraid the whole thing sounds like a scam to me.

Mods: if you think I've overstepped, please delete! Laughing
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