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meg

Anyone ever had Red Mite in their hair?

I have been treating the coops and moving bits of untreated coop about. One coop had dormant redmite in as it's been unused. I plucked several out of my hair as I went by still feel itchy and found a mite (not red but grey, but thats a dormant one?)

(Wrong shape for headlice in case anyone wonders if I'm a bit confused ) Very Happy Wink

Has anyone had this, if so how to get the little blighters to sling their hook???
chez

Just keep washing your hair. In my experience, they can survive a 60 degree washing machine cycle.

Blowtorch the houses.

*shudder*

You have my sympathy.
jamanda

Would conditioner and a nit comb help? Are they bigger or smaller than nits?
meg

What about a nice poultry shield rinse? I'm guessing a load of diatom in my hair would be bad?? Laughing Might dry my brain out.
Hmmmmm, not sure I can face getting my head hotter than 60 degrees, but I really don't want them. I thought I was being daft when I started to itch...
chez

No, not daft. If they're grey, they're hungry, so they make a bee-line for anything warm that they might turn out to be able to suck on.

Arvo and Mr Pookie probably both still wake up with screaming nightmares after dismantling the unused hen-house at our old place when we were moving. They little blighters were dropping from the roof on to them. I made Arvo take all his clothes off on the front step and put them in the washing machine by the door before he came in to the house. Luckily the garden was fairly enclosed.

ETA: Mandy, smaller, I think.
meg

They are smaller than most headlice, maybe the same size as a just hatched one but if so I've never seen one that young. They are rounded and very small, I have combed a few out but they are almost too small to see in the comb. I have washed with my Neem and Propolis shampoo which works at keeping headlice off the kids and me but they are still here. Tea tree was my next bet and to comb but I have lots of very long hair so this is a real pain in the watsit!
chez

You could try rubbing diatom through it - but don't inhale it.

You're making me scratch now.
jamanda

A bit of googling suggest a chemical called permethrin can help, but it seems to be in dog shampoos rather than human. At least they are the same class as us.
sean

Just shave your head.
meg

I read that redmite can get into peoples houses and affect all manner of animals apart from poultry. I had No idea this was a risk. I'll let you know how I go, guess I shouldn't touch heads with the kids or Danny. I might go to be in a bobble hat Shocked
I have a resporator somewhere could get that on and try to work diatom in, might ask a vet first though.
Penny Outskirts


You're making me scratch now.


Me too.... Shocked
meg

Just shave your head.


Red mites are a real affliction but Vanity is more virulent.

Wink
chez

Keep rinsing under the shower or the tap - it will come out eventually.

I think permethrin is a pyrethroid, which is essentially ant powder. I have heard of people using frontline for headlice - no-one I know, though. And I don't think I'd do it, it being an organophosphate.
chez

Actually, re the bobble-hat, could you comb diatom through it and shove a hat on it overnight? It will really dry it out, though. Frazzled_Barbie

Found this on the net - it might help

Quote:
Newcastle University are testing different essential oils since these contain chemicals toxic to pests. For example, linalool from lavender is toxic to red mites. Their latest research shows that red mite mortality rates decrease with time – so the oils need to be fresh to work.


Would lavender oil have linalool in it?
Nature'sgrafter

try hemp oil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp_oil
check the bit under nutrition Wink
Jools



Would lavender oil have linalool in it?

Yes it does. It's one of the allergens that soapmakers have to declare on their labels.
meg

Will go down to wholefood shop tomorrow and buy hemp oil and mix it with lavender. Head lice can't feed or move when coated in heavy oil maybe R.Mite are the same.

Thank you very much chaps. And let me serve as a horrible warning Wink Wear a hat where red mite live.
Danny thinks I should take myself to the vet Shocked I doubt Axa Pet insurance would cover me though.
Barefoot Andrew

Just shave your head.

Suddenly, I'm feeling very thankful for a lack of hair.
A.
Woodburner

Shampoo for lice ought to kill them. I find just washing my hair normally is enough, maybe I'm not so sensitive. I also find a vigorous rubbing is much more effective at killing them than any amount of scratching. ninat

Frontline isn't an organophospate. It's got fipronil in it. Woodburner

Just shave your head.
You're just jealous. Very Happy
chez

Frontline isn't an organophospate. It's got fipronil in it.

Sorry, my bad. What's fipronil?
Barefoot Andrew

The toxin used in flea control products amongst other things.
A.
Nell Merionwen

The toxin used in flea control products amongst other things.
A.

frontline for cats is 37% fipronil (If I recall correctly) slightly higher in dogs. Cat's kidneys build up with toxins more readily that dogs so we have to be careful about toxins around puss cats. It's important not to over use frontline in cats (and dogs but more so cats).
according to wikipedia it is quite lethal to game birds too but I don't know to what percentage.
chez

As a complete aside, looking at the wiki, it is implicated in colony collapse disorder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fipronil#Colony_collapse_disorder

Not nice.
chez

This bit is interesting, too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fipronil#External_links
Nell Merionwen

considering we all so readily plop frontline onto our pets it seems like quite a scary chemical.
However, fleas are vile!

scratch scratch scratch
meg

Didn't have any time to get to whole food shop today Shocked but did wash head again with gusto, seems a little better but still alittle itchy.

I'm not working tomorrow so will smother head in hemp and lavender and will the blighters to shuffle off....
Cathryn

This is a very interesting thread (I had no idea how vain Meg is for a start Smile ) I do hope I never need to find it useful. Wink Annette H

A Friend of mine had exactly the same thing happen, she walked into her converted shed henhouse and they descended on her Surprised . She has long curly hair too.

Her first plan was to lie in the bath with her hair submerged for 15 minutes. Her next plan was a lice treatment hair wash, she is a hairdresser and had some stuff that has probably been withdrawn now, it was such an old bottle. I think I would have tried dog flea killing shampoo.

I would have thought the little blighters would drownin 15 minutes, she did feel itchy for a few days afterwards but it certainly got rid of them. The henhouse was subsequently creosoted inside and out Very Happy
meg

This is a very interesting thread (I had no idea how vain Meg is for a start Smile ) I do hope I never need to find it useful. Wink

Very Happy Laughing We all have our little weakness or two Embarassed . And in the words of Catherine Aird "if you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." I guess I'll plump for 'orrible warning Laughing
Shan

I'd try the dog shampoo if I were you - at least you will have a shiny errrmm coat. Laughing Stonehead

Found this on the net - it might help

Quote:
Newcastle University are testing different essential oils since these contain chemicals toxic to pests. For example, linalool from lavender is toxic to red mites. Their latest research shows that red mite mortality rates decrease with time – so the oils need to be fresh to work.


Would lavender oil have linalool in it?

Lavender is a traditional remedy for keeping mites off birds. My grandfather used to hang lavender up in his aviaries and poultry runs, plus he'd sprinkle crushed lavender over the floors. Other relatives used it in their chicken runs, too. That was back in the '60s and '70s.
Green Rosie

Oh 'eck - I've just been attacked by literally hundreds of red mite in an empty hen house I went to clean out. Now wondering how many got in my hair (or is the itching just thunderbugs?). Also getting really worried that our house will become infested. The layer's house also has the blighters although the growers house "appears" clear.

I have blow-torched all the houses thoroughly and the vet has given me a what looks like a pyrethrum based powder to dust on the chickens.

Any other advice?
Bodger

Re: Anyone ever had Red Mite in their hair?

I have been treating the coops and moving bits of untreated coop about. One coop had dormant redmite in as it's been unused. I plucked several out of my hair as I went by still feel itchy and found a mite (not red but grey, but thats a dormant one?)

(Wrong shape for headlice in case anyone wonders if I'm a bit confused ) Very Happy Wink

Has anyone had this, if so how to get the little blighters to sling their hook???

Loads of times, they are itchy beggars aren't they? I always wear a hat but they still make me itch. Embarassed
gythagirl

My sympathies GR - a pressure-wash/spray & powder sorted out our only henhouse a couple of weeks ago.

But where do they come from? We haven't had red mite for over 2 years.
Green Rosie

I've never had them before and now have 2 houses infested - one much worse than the other but thankfully empty. No idea where they came from. Pressure washer sounds like a good idea. Blow torch was effective and pretty satisfying too Laughing Woodburner

The ones in empty houses are extra desperate, so when a heat source comes along they ALL wake up and jump on. Well probably not all of them ;P , but certainly far larger numbers than usual! Hopefully, having starved for so long, they won't last long in your house. They can't breed without bird blood, and while they can survive dormant for ages, they can't survive active for long without eating (bird blood). Dreamcatcher



Would lavender oil have linalool in it?

Yes it does. It's one of the allergens that soapmakers have to declare on their labels.

Lavender has approx 45% linalool and Spike Lavender approx 50% according to the EFFA
arvo

Keep rinsing under the shower or the tap - it will come out eventually.

I think permethrin is a pyrethroid, which is essentially ant powder. I have heard of people using frontline for headlice - no-one I know, though. And I don't think I'd do it, it being an organophosphate.

It worked fine for William S Burroughs. Just don't go in for any alfresco shooting whilst under the influence.
Mithril

Re: Anyone ever had Red Mite in their hair?

I have been treating the coops and moving bits of untreated coop about. One coop had dormant redmite in as it's been unused. I plucked several out of my hair as I went by still feel itchy and found a mite (not red but grey, but thats a dormant one?)

(Wrong shape for headlice in case anyone wonders if I'm a bit confused ) Very Happy Wink

Has anyone had this, if so how to get the little blighters to sling their hook???

Loads of times, they are itchy beggars aren't they? I always wear a hat but they still make me itch. Embarassed

Bodger, that creature in your sig. is just cruel! I jumped out my skin! Embarassed Laughing

Meg - Are you rid of them yet? I think I'd have gone straight for a lice treatment. Would be good to know what actually worked.
gythagirl

Gosh, I really HOPE she's rid of them - red mite in your hair for 15 months would be no fun at all!!!! Bodger

Redmite wont stay on you for 15 months. If they do get on you, they wont stay on you for any length of time, they're just passing through. I'm not talking about the ones that you manage to swallow by the way. Laughing yummersetter

In one of my Victorian smallholders magazines they wrote about an autopsy on a red mite infested canary. They found some in its heart.

Anyone feeling unwell?
Green Rosie

I wasn't .... Mithril

In one of my Victorian smallholders magazines they wrote about an autopsy on a red mite infested canary. They found some in its heart.

Anyone feeling unwell?

Eww, thank you for that Sad

I hadn't noticed the date of the first post Cool
OtleyLad

This happened to me a few years back (the chickens have gone now Crying or Very sad ). I itched like crazy for a week or more. The anti-lice shampoo from the chemist didn't work either.
I think the mites came from an adjacent apple tree - it had grown over the shed and the mites simply dropped in.
I cut the branches back well away from the shed and they didn't come back (I treat the shed with some nasty chemical that you can't get anymore - it got rid of them).
Green Rosie

I'm just off to fry and few more Mad Chickpea

I just spent £34 on Total mite kill, in concentrate form, can form and powder for the overnight explosion! Yesterday the whole henhouse was cleared, sprayed and dried, restocked with fresh shavings and today there are more on the underside of the perches! I sprayed there with something that said three months protection! They obviously didn't read the can!!! I've just resprayed, but the blow torch comes out later! I cannot believe how many there are, and they do crawl on you while treating... Ewwwwww horrid! Mad

At more suggestions to help further to what I'm already doing? A
dpack

we recently had an outbreak among the guinea pigs.pyrethrum 1% spray did the job in 3 apps a week apart

for houses ,fire,creosote .derris powder,diatom dust in the earth bathing tub with dry earth

for people dog shampoo
Mithril

we recently had an outbreak among the guinea pigs.pyrethrum 1% spray did the job in 3 apps a week apart

for houses ,fire,creosote .derris powder,diatom dust in the earth bathing tub with dry earth

for people dog shampoo

Very useful to know, thanks.

(Also, didn't realise guinea pigs got them. Oh joy).
Nicky cigreen

I think they can come in on wild birds - they can certainly come in on new poultry - so they clearly live on the birds some of the time.

blow torch and diatom keep it under control here.. you have to make repeated attacks on them to break the cycle
dpack

keep at it until no more hatch.

creosote is vile stuff and properly discouraged by statute but it did work very well on wooden hencoops
Chickpea

Ive just taken the blow torch to them, and smeared vaseline around the legs of the perches, and then sprayed with Total Mite Kill (again), and then Diatom.... im doing all I can and wont be defeated! My girls free range in woodlands, so could they be picking them up themselves and bringing them in??? Chickpea

Ok, just discovered red spider mite in my hair too. They must have dropped onto me while I didn't realise they were there yesterday, and my pillow is spotted with blood, which means they have been feasting... YUKKKKKKKK. How do I get rid of the a. I've washed my hair, conditioned it, and run a nit comb through and a few came out. This is my worst nightmare.... Mithril

Ok, just discovered red spider mite in my hair too. They must have dropped onto me while I didn't realise they were there yesterday, and my pillow is spotted with blood, which means they have been feasting... YUKKKKKKKK. How do I get rid of the a. I've washed my hair, conditioned it, and run a nit comb through and a few came out. This is my worst nightmare....

Oh my goodness - what a nightmare! Shocked An earlier post suggested dog shampoo for your hair. Do you have a wooden bed frame? Neutral
Chickpea

I do have a wooden bedstead, it's been stripped back and doused with lavender oil today, no undesirables found... Now not sure these are red mite, certainly in the coop and henhouse there are, or hopefully were, but these are smaller. And are in the air.

Today the henhouse has been thoroughly sprayed again with total mite kill, and where little (no huge pockets of them today, thank goodness) the blow torch came out! We seem to be on top of it for now, but the treatment will be repeated every day for a week more, to break the cycle.


Anybody want 7 fantastic layers?
Chickpea

Folks, I have been blow torching, cleaning and spraying every tiny nook, cranny and wall. There were still just a very few today, I've been spraying since the 1st and it's the 7th, could it be the end of the cycle? My girls are very unsettled as I've removed all their bedding to make it earlier to blow torch! They are very very noisy, neighbours not happy!! Green Rosie

Same here Chickpea - there were still a few when I wiped under the perches this morning but I think regular blow torching is the answer. Mind you staggering home from friends at 2am and then heading off to blow torch the mass eruption of the little blighters makes me very glad not to have neighbours who can see me!

That said I still have the coop from hell to deal with - the one I went to clean out after a week or so without any chooks in it and I was literally covered in the things. I blow-torched and treated that one and since then I have just left the door shut - not sure what I'll find when I re-open it but I will be doing so in the equivalent of a bee suit Rolling Eyes Laughing
Bodger

Chickpea. I've bought the same stuff as you and I'm spraying every other day with the same result. I don't rate the stuff at all but still have loads of it left. To say that I'm disappointed, is to put it mildly Chickpea

I've had to order more Total Mite Kill Concentrate, I've used it every day for a week, if its not working as it should the mites must be getting immune! The powder is next to useless too! When this is cleared I'm having to rehome them as the neighbours 7 houses down have made comments about the noise! It's only because I've removed their bedding!

What else can we do, any other treatment? He blow torch is ok, but it's a wooden home! I've noticed most mites are on the perches.
Mithril

Have you tried Poultry Sheild? The write-ups seem good and although I haven't had hens long (two years) I've never seen any trace of red mites. (I use it in the coop once a week, as a preventative).

http://www.flytesofancy.co.uk/chickenhouses/Poultry_Shield.html

Edit: just looked at their website and they recommend (if poultry shield and diatom don't work) the Poultry Keeper range of products.
http://www.flytesofancy.co.uk/chickenhouses/Poultry_Keeper_Range_Mite_Killers.html
Annette H

I found redmite in one of my pens last week, I think the hot weather has caused a population explosion.

I creosoted the pen inside and out first thing in the morning and replaced the bedding with old paper feed sacks. Its done the job. I am changing the paper sack every two days and using diatom on top. I burn the sacks but so far no sign of any mites hiding.

This is a pen with lots of nooks and crannies so difficult with spray. I only ever found the mite kill spray to be partly useful though. Creosote really does so the job. The hens were back in on the night with no ill effects. I think they preferred the fumes to the pesky mites Very Happy
Nicky cigreen

aggh this thread makes me so itchy!

Rosie - is it worth sealing up the empty hen house and trying one of those smoke cone things? I don't know if it would work but I would be tempted
Green Rosie

aggh this thread makes me so itchy!

Rosie - is it worth sealing up the empty hen house and trying one of those smoke cone things? I don't know if it would work but I would be tempted

And you are red mite free! Laughing

In France we can buy aerosols of insecticide spray for houses where you put the can in a room, lock down the nozzle, leave and close door and it will fumigate the whole room. OH reckons that might work for red mite too. Reading the can it says the active ingredients are:

1. Flufénoxuron which inhibits the development of chitin and so is effective in killing eggs, larvae and adults
2. Perméthrine which kill ticks, MITES, cockroaches, spiders, ants, bugs and flies and prevents recontamination.

Whoa - nasty stuff but needs must ....
Chickpea

I read the spray bottle of poultry shield and it seemed to be used as a general disinfectant. Only found a couple of mites today, blow torching gets them. The. Another spray of total mite kill, which isn't doing what it says! It's an uphill battle.... Chickpea

So where do you get creosote? Annette H

So where do you get creosote?

The drum I have came from ebay but I see they only have the substitute on sale now which I am sure I have read, does not do the job. Do you have a local farm supplier?.

I was talking to a friend earlier, she has 20 or so hens and just does the pens and perches with flyspray, apparantely Morrisons 80 pence works fine Smile .

I have read about Ficam too but not used it myself, It does work but needs careful handling. I tried the smoke cones a couple of years ago, no good at all but there are lots of tiny gaps in the pens where the smoke could have escaped.

I also tried Indorex flea killer as it has a 12 month residual effect, again, no good Rolling Eyes . Its only the creosote that has saved our home made wooden coops.
Bodger

I'm going to send for some more of this stuff. Its just a matter of sorting out the best deal, what quantity I'm likely to need and which best suits my pocket.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC0.A0.Xdiatomaceous+earth.TRS0&_nkw=diatomaceous+earth&_sacat=0&_from=R40&clk_rvr_id=507948243026
Woodburner

I found redmite in one of my pens last week, I think the hot weather has caused a population explosion.

I creosoted the pen inside and out first thing in the morning and replaced the bedding with old paper feed sacks. Its done the job. I am changing the paper sack every two days and using diatom on top. I burn the sacks but so far no sign of any mites hiding.

This is a pen with lots of nooks and crannies so difficult with spray. I only ever found the mite kill spray to be partly useful though. Creosote really does so the job. The hens were back in on the night with no ill effects. I think they preferred the fumes to the pesky mites Very Happy

Every two days is . . . I'm tempted to say overkill, but that's not it. It's not going to help. They like nooks and crannies that smell of red mite, a bit like rats like places that smell of rats and mice like places that smell of mice, so if you take away the sacks too soon, the RM won't be in them anyway.
The first year I had chooks in a big coop, I lined the coop floor with corrugated cardboard, clearing it out with the bedding every 3 weeks to a month. I had no RM worth mentioning until the next year when I got low on cardboard and slacked off chucking it out . . . Sad
Chickpea

Picking real creosote up tomorrow! I WILL win this battle!!!! Annette H

That is interesting about the mite smell Woodburner. Tbh after all the nooks and crannies have been flooded with creosote I am not sure the mites would try hiding in them again Very Happy .

Its probably true that I am changing the paper to often but the first time there were some determined little beggars hiding in the bag lining. The last few changes, nothing at all. I do think the diatom as a back up really helps too.

Its not the largest of my coops but eight of the birds insist in living in it so the floor does get pretty messy quickly especially after the heavy rain we have had.

Good luck Chickpea. Wear old clothes and gloves!. I love the smell of creosote but my Husband absolutely hates it. The smell reminds me of childhood when everyone sloshed it on their wooden fences, its a great preservative too.
Nicky cigreen

big fan of diatom here

also I whitewash the hen houses when they are empty - I figured this would help fill in the crooks and nannies
Bodger

I've cresoted this summer and it did kill loads of the mite, you could see them crawling out of the woodwork to die but they were back within a few days. Mithril

This just popped up on FB. Might be useful.

http://flytesofancy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/top-tips-for-getting-rid-of-red-mite.html?spref=fb
Green Rosie

No mention of blow torching though and I have found that the most effective method of eradicating them. Nicky cigreen

perhaps they don't sell blow torches? Cool Chickpea

Used Jeyes Fluid in the end, thing s, there were no mites left! So maybe the TMK does work! Mithril

perhaps they don't sell blow torches? Cool

Oh well, I thought it might have been helpful.
Green Rosie

perhaps they don't sell blow torches? Cool

Oh well, I thought it might have been helpful.

It was good otherwise Very Happy
Chickpea

Gosh, they are tenacious little critters, aren't they? Half the problem was ours, in that when we had made the perches higher, the join is where all the eggs were, so daily we had a few hatching out! Legs sorted and now the tracked down old real creosote is going on... Fingers crossed, this is day 11 of daily treatment!!!! Bodger

I've started to replace the tongue and groove rooves on my factory made chicken sheds with Onduline sheets. This morning, I've stripped the first one off and OMG! No wonder I've been facing an up hill struggle to keep the redmite in check this year. Shocked There were thousands of them, both under the roofing felt and where the planks were fastened to the frame. I've sprayed all the ones that have been exposed and now I'm giving the insecticide time to work before carrying on.
I've got another three sheds to do after this one and after they've been done, hopefully I'll have better luck in trying to keep things in check. scratch Take it from me, if you have roofing felt on your chicken sheds, you definitely need to get rid of it. thumbup
Chickpea

I have one of those black wavy roofs on my whole henhouse/run, no place for the blighters to hide! I do however have a small piece of roofing felt on egg laying part, which I shall duly remove! We have done the job though, NO red mite left, every nook, cranny and other place has been blowtorched, sprayed wi various mite kill products, and lastly good old fashioned creosote soaked into the crevices. It's been going on since 1st August, and I shall not let down my guard..

Does anybody know whee these things come from? I have woodland behind the run, do they live on dead wood or something.
Bodger

Wild birds.
I'm going to have to cut my Onduline sheets down to fit the roof and I should have enough left to replace the board and felt roof on the nest boxes.
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