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Azura Skye

Horizon looks at fasting

I really enjoyed this documentary - talking about how calorie restriction leads to greater health and longevity. Fascinating stuff... I'm literally eating myself stupid. As it happens, I've just had a tooth out - so I am kinda fasting tonight and tomorrow. Not so good at fasting off my own willpower though - but saying that, this film made a very compelling argument that might just inspire me to really think twice about my diet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/Horizon_20122013_Eat_Fast_and_Live_Longer/
bagpuss

I haven't watched this documentary but I do know there are a lot of studies which do suggest that calorie restricted diets can prolong you life along side exercise healthy eating

The numbers I have heard suggest between 5 and 10 year life extension

I personally enjoy cooking and eating to much for this though I would rather die at 75 and enjoy every day than live to 85 or 90 and watch every bite I eat
Rob R

I personally enjoy cooking and eating to much for this though I would rather die at 75 and enjoy every day than live to 85 or 90 and watch every bite I eat


Just what I expected you to say, with an avatar like that Laughing
Mustang

I haven't watched it yet, but I understand they were looking at the 5:2 diet. 5 days a week, you eat exactly what you like. No restrictions.

The other 2 days, you restrict what you eat to 500 or 600 calories. Again, you can eat what you like, just need to calorie count.

So it's not checking what you are eating all the time, and neither is it restricting what you eat (apart from a few calories a couple of days a week).

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bagpuss

I haven't watched it yet, but I understand they were looking at the 5:2 diet. 5 days a week, you eat exactly what you like. No restrictions.

The other 2 days, you restrict what you eat to 500 or 600 calories. Again, you can eat what you like, just need to calorie count.

So it's not checking what you are eating all the time, and neither is it restricting what you eat (apart from a few calories a couple of days a week).

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If you only get 500 calories in a diet you are restricting what you eat as with the best will in the world you are far less likely to eat high fat or high sugar foods on those days
Mustang

True, but if you want to 'splash out' your 500 calories on a little chocolate, that's fine. If you want to use it on dry cornbread, that's fine as well. The diet doesn't tell you what to eat, but you decide what fits in the 500 calorie count. If you choose high fat, high sugar, high carb foods, you don't get to eat much of it.

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Azura Skye

it was very interesting when the discussion came to dementia and alzheimers. The study on mice was striking, but as the presenter said, needs to be done on humans.

I think this is where natural foods - in their natural state really come into their own. You get a heck of a lot of nutrients, roughage and that full feeling, for hardly any calories..

Juice feasting is popular amongst the raw food enthusiasts out there. Some people doing it for 92 days in one go. They say hunger just dissapears. I have no interest at all to go for that long but a while ago I drank vegetable juices for almost 4 days but really struggled. I then, recently just drank juices on a sunday to give my system a rest, and that was a lot more doable.

I think there's probably a lot of ways of giving your body a good rest whilst not being so strung out by it mentally. Quite often, I don't really feel hungry til tea time...yet I still eat, because I love to eat!

these days though, not fasting at all - but get a few green smoothies in me when I can.
bagpuss

True, but if you want to 'splash out' your 500 calories on a little chocolate, that's fine. If you want to use it on dry cornbread, that's fine as well. The diet doesn't tell you what to eat, but you decide what fits in the 500 calorie count. If you choose high fat, high sugar, high carb foods, you don't get to eat much of it.

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Ah the joys of a false choice

Watching the documentary it is about fasting not calorie restriction. Not sure how frequently it is suggested you fast to get the igf-1 restrictions that are meant to provide the health benefits
bagpuss

The program talks about alternate day fasting where one day you have a healthy lunch of about 500 calories and nothing else and then you can eat what you want the next day but you are right that at the end the presenter is suggested than a 5-2 model

As Azura Skye says human trials at this point are limited but show positive signs for Alzheimers prone mice the theory behind this is hunger increases brain function

Alternate day fasting or 5:2 certainly sounds better than either a long term calorie restricted diet or longer fasts every couple of months
oldish chris

I saw the programme. Seems that you can live forever as long as you don't enjoy it. However, it has inspired my wife and I to do a bit of weight loosing.

Wifey has just walked past me saying that she has already started restricting her calories: she made her first glass of red last nearly two hours!!

That is what I call will-power Wink
Azura Skye


Wifey has just walked past me saying that she has already started restricting her calories: she made her first glass of red last nearly two hours!!

That is what I call will-power Wink

impressive... but it's taken me having my teeth taken out to fast - don't think I can carry this on somehow...
Sally Too

Very interesting programme.... Some family members here are considering trying this. Well the 2:5 notion anyway....

Cool
bagpuss


Wifey has just walked past me saying that she has already started restricting her calories: she made her first glass of red last nearly two hours!!

That is what I call will-power Wink

impressive... but it's taken me having my teeth taken out to fast - don't think I can carry this on somehow...

I guess that is why the alternate fast or 5:2 notion might work better. You dont fast but have one big meal which is ideally health but nothing else
oldish chris

I haven't watched it yet, but I understand they were looking at the 5:2 diet. 5 days a week, you eat exactly what you like. No restrictions.

The other 2 days, you restrict what you eat to 500 or 600 calories. Again, you can eat what you like, just need to calorie count.

So it's not checking what you are eating all the time, and neither is it restricting what you eat (apart from a few calories a couple of days a week).

. Dead easy. Managed the first five days without a hitch Wink oldish chris

Damn, lost count at 450. I know, I'll start again. shopgirlsue

It was an interesting programme.

There's a similar trial going on - the Genesis project I think - which suggests that a 5-2 diet reduces some risks of breast cancer. They have a website with more detail if anyone one wants to investigate further and suggestions for what to eat on the 2 reduced cal days
SigridStallard

In Germany we have spas that specialise on long fasts. I could never get my head around it. I was born with a hunger phobia so I eat all the time just in case I get hungry and cannot find food. The horizon program was very inspiring and the IGF-1 theory does make sense to me. I suppose it is just a matter of extending life by slowing down. Anyway, I am giving the 5: fast a try, not for weight-loss, but for fear of loosing my marbles before I croak. The first day was a bit uncomfortable, but the second day is OK. I think I can stick with this approach. It is about time I started to care. xxx Lorrainelovesplants

Ive tried clicking on the link , but cant get the picture to play...is it too late to watch?
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