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Cathryn



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 15 7:04 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

Nick wrote:
Can you advise how to get a quad bike running, please?

I like this online mechanic thing...


Remember that it hasn't got an automatic choke?

Of course you did, just like Jack did this morning.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 15 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Cathryn wrote:
Nick wrote:
Can you advise how to get a quad bike running, please?

I like this online mechanic thing...


Remember that it hasn't got an automatic choke?

Of course you did, just like Jack did this morning.


You, no doubt, pointed that out to him?

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 33684
Location: Hereford
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 15 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Cathryn wrote:
Nick wrote:
Can you advise how to get a quad bike running, please?

I like this online mechanic thing...


Remember that it hasn't got an automatic choke?

Of course you did, just like Jack did this morning.


Nope, it has a manual choke, which I used. It seems to flatten a battery very quickly, despite the battery being a year old, and having had no use.

It almost fires up, but not quite. I've put fresh fuel in, but not a lot. It sparks. Timing chain was an issue, but they fixed that. Could it have slipped?

vegplot



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 15 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The timing chain will certainly be an issue if it wasn't put back correctly.

Assuming it was the most likely, not definitely, cause is fuel starvation. As before start at the fuel tanks and work forwards. First thing you can try is disconnect the furl line into the carb. Turn on the fuel tap. If fuel spills everywhere then you know it's not the tank, tap, or fuel line. Turn off the tap, that bit is quite important. The wary will have found a suitable container in which to catch the fuel before opening the tap.

Nick



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Timing looks fine, at least the lines on the timing gear and the flywheel are in the right place.

Fuel is getting to the carb.

Battery isn't holding a charge, so, is it safe to jump from my car? Both are 12v.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I don't know for sure to be honest but I would assume it would be okay to do so. Just be aware the cranking current of a car battery will be far higher than on a quad bike. Check all connection are sound (earth strap) and ensure both use the same grounding system (if jumpstarting fro0m another vehicle) e.g. negative earth.

Nick



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

It worked, and with a full tank of clean petrol, it's running. There's a turns wheel which adjusts idle speed and I had to play with that a while.

So, I've been up and down the lane for ten minutes or so.

Sometimes, when belting along, the engine just falls to idle speed for a minute, and I can only limp it along in first gear. Then it back fires, and the throttle works again. Did this two or three times in a row, then runs perfectly for another five minutes before I came home.

Any thoughts what might cause a lack of revving?

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

it might be electrical issues.damp,dirt and ht dont mix well

try spraying all wires,plugs,things connected by wires with wd40,wipe clean and respray,leave it ten mins for the propellant to evaporate (safety first) and then see if drying it has helped.

edit,if it has electronic ignition control i cant help but if it has a mechanical system check the distributor is sparking each cylinder correctly.i assume it has more than one pot ?

if that didnt work it might be control gear issues ,check all cables ,clamps etc are adjusted correctly.try again.

does the magneto/alternator put out a steady voltage when the engine is running ?try not to get zapped by the ht ,it hurts .

Cathryn



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
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Location: Ceredigion
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nick wrote:
It worked, and with a full tank of clean petrol, it's running. There's a turns wheel which adjusts idle speed and I had to play with that a while.

So, I've been up and down the lane for ten minutes or so.

Sometimes, when belting along, the engine just falls to idle speed for a minute, and I can only limp it along in first gear. Then it back fires, and the throttle works again. Did this two or three times in a row, then runs perfectly for another five minutes before I came home.

Any thoughts what might cause a lack of revving?


This might be something to do with the head gasket on the engine or drain the carburettor (but it's probably not this). The back firing and losing power happened to one of ours and it had to go into hospital as it turned out to be quite serious.

vegplot



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Location: Ynys Môn
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nick wrote:
It worked, and with a full tank of clean petrol, it's running. There's a turns wheel which adjusts idle speed and I had to play with that a while.

So, I've been up and down the lane for ten minutes or so.

Sometimes, when belting along, the engine just falls to idle speed for a minute, and I can only limp it along in first gear. Then it back fires, and the throttle works again. Did this two or three times in a row, then runs perfectly for another five minutes before I came home.

Any thoughts what might cause a lack of revving?


Back firing is a sign of poor mixture control. Run the engine hard under load then use the kill switch to cleanly cutoff the engine. Remove the plug and note the colour. Black and sooty it's too rich light grey or white too lean.

Reluctance to come off idle: Assuming it's a carb that uses a float chamber then it could be a sticking float which either causes fuel starvation or flooding. Carb cleaner may cure this as it dissolves petrol deposits that build up over time. Awkwardly it could the float not set at the right level. This involves stripping it down, cleaning carefully, and resetting. Don't advise doing this without a manual and a carb gasket set.

Last edited by vegplot on Mon Mar 09, 15 8:31 pm; edited 1 time in total

Nick



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Black and sooty.

I'll get some cleaner. Thanks.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Might only need a few tweaks of the mixture screw in the carb.

Cathryn



Joined: 16 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

You're amazing Vegplot.

Nick



Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'll have a play with the screw on Thursday, when I return from the north.

My bet is crap in the carb, tho, it's been stood a long time. And I doubt it's been poked about in ten years, if ever. Carb is a bugger to get to, tho. Kit is only twenty notes, tho, so not a disaster.

I appreciate the help.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 15 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Cathryn wrote:
You're amazing Vegplot.



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