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derbyshiredowser



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 13 9:59 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote    

I use it to etch glass in gel form I use rubber chemical gloves, face mask and goggles and work outside pokey stuff.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 13 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

The main danger of hydrofluoric acid is during and after a vehicle fire. PTFE coating on cables is a major source.

As far as doing maintenance on vehicles is concerned, don't use heat near any plastic or rubber; apart from anything else you will damage it, and it could well give of a variety of toxic fumes.

No, latex gloves are not really enough. Heavy duty rubber gloves for working with chemicals are needed, and if you are using the liquid, it should be used under safety controlled conditions, not at home. Not come across the gel, but use strict safely precautions, and personally, I would be wary of using even that at home, but then I was a chemist with a lively sense of self preservation. Sorry, but it can attack bone, and is a nasty acid.

Barefoot Andrew
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 13 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: Eeek. Dangers of car DIY Reply with quote    

vegplot wrote:
toasted Soreen in a Haynes manual.


You need to work on your sandwich recipes.
A.

Nick



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 13 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

HFl is used to dispose of bodies.

Just saying.

vegplot



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 13 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: Eeek. Dangers of car DIY Reply with quote    

Barefoot Andrew wrote:
vegplot wrote:
toasted Soreen in a Haynes manual.


You need to work on your sandwich recipes.
A.


A real man's recipe book.

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 13 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

nasty stuff ,i would not want to use it at home or in a lab.

when i worked at ici hf was treated as a specialist reagent and handled by the old folks same as hcn and flurine .they let me play with naps , 2000 psi h2/catalysts and various other moody or potentially very toxic reagents
sometimes in new conditions that have not been tried before it was interesting and occasionally rather too exiting when nitrating things , i still would not want to play with hf.

hf is useful to get the first 4 f into hex (f2 for the last pair )it wouldnt want to work at that either

Dee J



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 13 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

HF... Much used in the semiconductor industry. First aid and security always equipped with a calcium rich cream to apply in case of accidental skin contact. AFAIK HF attacks the calcium in bone and by the time any symptoms are apparent much damage has already occurred.
Dee

vegplot



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 13 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

dpack wrote:
nasty stuff ,i would not want to use it at home or in a lab.

when i worked at ici hf was treated as a specialist reagent and handled by the old folks same as hcn and flurine .they let me play with naps , 2000 psi h2/catalysts and various other moody or potentially very toxic reagents
sometimes in new conditions that have not been tried before it was interesting and occasionally rather too exiting when nitrating things , i still would not want to play with hf.

hf is useful to get the first 4 f into hex (f2 for the last pair )it wouldnt want to work at that either


I'd feel safer using a hedge flail as a tooth pick.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 13 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

HF is used mainly in making the integrated circuits. I usually worked on making them into something useful and packaging them so nobody could put their fingers all over them. Did use fluoboric acid in a tin-lead plating bath in the dim and distant past though. Hope it has been superseded by something a bit less nasty these days.

Woodburner



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 13 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

I'm pretty sure it has been replaced with a toned down version, at least for etching. Friend of husband's wanted some for some sort of etching, Dad said no way is that what he really wants, it's seriously nasty etc. Anyway, we couldn't find any but we did find etching fluid which did just what he wanted, still had some dire warnings, but not so nasty as HF.

Nick



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 17 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Nick wrote:
Toasted Soreen contains acrylamide, which is an accumulative neurotoxin, which can cause cancer increasing tumors in the nervous system, oral cavity, peritoneum, thyroid gland, mammary gland, uterus, and clitoris.


See. I bloody told you.

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 17 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    



i didnt like to mention it in case i restarted the roast potato wars.

Jam Lady



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 17 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote    

Aqua regia. Way back in the dark ages when I worked in the technician's lab in college I mixed some up (under supervision) for Mr Jam Lord and he used it to etch a dragon into sterling sliver for a belt buckle.

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 17 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

A R works but there are safer chemical alternatives for etching silver, best etching method is electro etching which is pretty safe so long as you don't drink the liquid

the best way to make silver into a 3D interesting shape is to make the shape in wax and post it to some nice chaps we know in scotland who will lost wax cast it for the metal price + 25% .

i think nick was referring to a recent UK gov medical report about toasted food and over cooked spuds where the "dangers" although real are far smaller and less immediate than those of alkali metal azides ( i dont like them any more, long story but .... ) or the bad end of corrosives, poisons, unstable explosives, sneaky inflammables and moody oxidising agents. chemistry is fun but one should know where to stop.

a while ago i read a rather good but extreme recipe book that included the phrase " if it starts to smoke tip the pot into the river immediately or else you will very soon be dead " (going by the rest of the book i suspect that was based on direct observational experience )
pretty good h and s advice but as that sort of improvisation does not appeal to me it wont be an issue

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 17 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote    

You can also plate up precious metals. I once saw a gold belt buckle being plated up for some middle eastern potentate. They left it in the plating bath for days.

An accidental 'home chemistry' that sometimes used to cause people to end up in A&E was mixing bleach and toilet cleaner containing acid to make sure the toilet was really clean. It gives off chlorine, which of course was used as poison gas during WWI. I think most bleach is now peroxide based, so just tends to foam rather badly when mixed with acid.

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