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Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 23 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It is unfortunate that the monarch has to make this speech which must stick in their craw sometimes. I can't see the King being very pleased about some of the rubbish he is going to be forced to come out with.

tahir



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 23 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It's disgraceful

tahir



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 23 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/14/uk-to-loosen-post-brexit-chemical-regulations-further

tahir



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 23 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Who needs fish, or insects? Brexit really has created a toxic environment

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 23 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Having looked at the REACH regulations when they first came in with regard to charcoal, they were very bureaucratic and were way beyond the affordability of the UK artisan charcoal industry, which would have meant it ceased, leaving only less environmentally friendly imported charcoal. Fortunately, as charcoal is something that has been made in its present form for 1000s of years, it was decided that the industry didn't need to conform.

I started doing chemistry at a time when regulation was rather less rigid than today. We had a chemical in our cupboard at work that was labelled as 'harmful' in the early 1970s. My boss needed to use it to make up a small silver plating bath so contacted the suppliers and found out it was something like silver cyanide. The effects of lax regulation.

The objective of REACH was to ensure that new chemicals were characterised and understood as far as possible before large quantities were made, although the amount was about 1 ton I think. Overall, I think the REACH is a good idea, and I certainly don't agree with relaxing regulations, particularly as the reasons for doing so are the wrong reasons, probably decided upon by people who have no knowledge of chemistry. If we go away from Europe, it means that two sets of regulations have to be sorted out, leading to extra expense, and that lower levels of regulation and enforcement will lead to unscrupulous people taking advantage of what they can 'get away with'.

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 23 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Mistress Rose wrote:
If we go away from Europe, it means that two sets of regulations have to be sorted out, leading to extra expense, and that lower levels of regulation and enforcement will lead to unscrupulous people taking advantage of what they can 'get away with'.


Too true

dpack



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 23 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

as the new SoS for environment is now Steve"i want my two dogs to enjoy nice landscapes"Barclay, and it is likely he has a rather narrow view of the "environment", things are unlikely to improve during the downfall bunker year of this government.

a year is a long time in the ecocide trade, sometimes it can be done in minutes if there are no controls to prevent it in place and enforced

tahir



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 23 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

dpack wrote:
a year is a long time in the ecocide trade, sometimes it can be done in minutes if there are no controls to prevent it in place and enforced


Also very true, this lot need to go ASAP

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 23 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Very definitely and that is not the only reason.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 23 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

two conflicts of interest and he has barely started the job

dpack



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 23 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

a small step etc

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 23 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It would of course help if Defra and the other bodies had enough staff to monitor the state of all water bodies. The staff levels have had to be reduced because of budget cuts so that very few tests are actually carried out.

dpack



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 23 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

FTFT

kill and throw pennies to the bystanders to distract them

see above, if any of us still are on the inside, let me know and i will arrange secure data shared no one scared

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 23 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It seems Yorkshire Water had to do improvements as well. I think this shows that using remote sensing without anyone checking doesn't work though. If I am reading this correctly it took a long time to find a plank of wood that should have easily been observed by a person.

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 23 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

the side orders are interesting as well

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