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tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 24 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

dpack wrote:
fetish goods sell practical ones by association

leccy = glamour is a splendid pitch


Exactly, lots of cheap as chips very nice electric cars in China but you do need the flash ones too

tahir



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 24 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-28/electric-cars-pass-adoption-tipping-point-in-31-countries?embedded-checkout=true

jema
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 24 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tahir wrote:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-28/electric-cars-pass-adoption-tipping-point-in-31-countries?embedded-checkout=true


It mostly comes down to money with a big ticket item like a car.
The fear merchants have done a pretty good job so far of creating the idea that a used EV is a risky purchase.
I think they are running out of rope though.
It's actually a no win situation for the fear merchants, all they can do is drive the prices of used EVs down and hence make them a more compelling buy.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 24 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Ty Gwyn wrote:
tahir wrote:
Went past a building site in Guangzhou last week, all electrical equipment; diggers, dumpers the whole lot. Brilliant how quiet it was, and of course the engine isn't running when the machine is idle so much better pollution wise.

On our latest building site we have a crane and goods lift so we already have (like most building sites) sufficient capacity on site to charge equipment overnight (if there was any available to rent).

I hope JCB get off the hydrogen bandwagon before the Chinese wipe them out


Sounds very Green,but the reality is,electricity supplied by over THOUSAND COAL FIRED POWER STATIONS.


China is expanding renewables faster than any other Country. They are also replacing as a temporary step very dirty coal with cleaner coal.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 24 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

https://www.webpronews.com/catl-unveils-revolutionary-million-mile-battery-transforming-electric-vehicle-landscape/#:~:text=In%20a%20groundbreaking%20move%20that,warranty%20of%201.5%20million%20kilometers.


a battery with no degradation after 1000 cycles.

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 24 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

long life batteries for domestic or high power use were inevitable

those specs are good, there will be better ones in development as well

domestic cars are beyond the early adopter and first gen stage

it looks as though the EV mass market is following the horse to ice timeline fairly closely

if EV has about a third of new sales now, in a decade ice will be a "hobby" rather than transport

ice based real estate might be the new equestrian properties, good hard standing forecourt, bunded fuelling area, workshop and garaging for 6 "horses" etc

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 24 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

a strange sideways thought, rare early ice advertising and point of sale items are daftly priced by collectors and decorators.
ditto the vehicles (although i have concerns about long term storage of current battery tech)

fill a shed with early EV ephemera for the Great grandkids might be a very good long term investment

free or silly cheap stuff now, silly money on salvage hunters 2124, if 2124 has such things


Slim



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 24 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

jema wrote:
Ty Gwyn wrote:
tahir wrote:
Went past a building site in Guangzhou last week, all electrical equipment; diggers, dumpers the whole lot. Brilliant how quiet it was, and of course the engine isn't running when the machine is idle so much better pollution wise.

On our latest building site we have a crane and goods lift so we already have (like most building sites) sufficient capacity on site to charge equipment overnight (if there was any available to rent).

I hope JCB get off the hydrogen bandwagon before the Chinese wipe them out


Sounds very Green,but the reality is,electricity supplied by over THOUSAND COAL FIRED POWER STATIONS.


China is expanding renewables faster than any other Country. They are also replacing as a temporary step very dirty coal with cleaner coal.


All of the above are the more important points, but Even just centralizing the burning of a fossil fuel has lots of advantages, efficiency, pollution, noise, etc

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 24 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

A huge side bonus is that if the grid (and micro local) can be rebuilt to cope with the transport demand, it can be upgraded to total energy for industrial and domestic as humanity goes to full clean leccy and hangs on to daring do and forlorn hopes re is it too late

tahir



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 24 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Just read some research showing that the Chinese car market has gone from 40% to 57% Chinese brands in the last couple of years. As I said above the Western companies really need to be thinking carefully about their own futures when fighting against EVs.

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 24 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

dump buggy whips, buy oil cans

tahir



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 24 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/apr/04/schools-close-and-crops-wither-as-historic-heatwave-hits-south-east-asia

Most plants stop growing above 37C, even if they're not in drought

jema
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 24 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

https://electrek.co/2024/04/08/byd-launch-next-gen-ev-battery-more-range-lower-price/#:~:text=BYD's%20next%2Dgen%20EV%20battery,as%20soon%20as%20August%202024.

To me this represents a real watershed.
It's not vapour, it's coming in a few months.
It's enough to turn a 250 mile EV into a cheaper, lighter, more efficient 300 mile EV.

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 24 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

the last part is where "green"tech that is cheaper and better can end fossil

remove their profits by outcompeting them seems a reasonable strategy, they will not be stopped by polite requests for billions of very good reasons

make their products redundant and they will have no market for fossil energy

dpack



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 24 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

drill baby drill

with the money they have, it is easy to buy/install enough governments to continue their trade

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