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Treacodactyl
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 14 4:32 pm Post subject:

oldish chris wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

mal55 wrote:

Sorry Chris. It's a beef of mine. There's an awful lot of info on them on the internet, including health issues which are played down by developers.

And an awful lot that is made up by the fossil fuel industy and the NIMBY's...

But I have it on first hand, they really do cause mesmerisation. And it was Her Majesty's Coast Guards that were being affected.

Fortunately, half filling a Welsh valley with spoil has never ruined a view from the Wolds. (I remember 1966.)

Build a Fast Breeder Reactor in Mablethorpe!

That's the problem with calling someone a NIMBY, it ignores the fact everyone is a NIMBY. Who wants a refuse dump, open cast mine, nuclear reactor, nuclear dump, fracking etc next door?

The problem with wind turbines is you still will need your coal mines, fracking, nuclear power stations or whatever and when you balance things up I'm yet to be convinced they are worth all the negatives. I'll concede they do act as a comfort blanket for some people to grasp whilst they carry on regardless.

sean
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 14 4:53 pm Post subject:
Panic not. Methane hydrate is coming. What can possibly go wrong?

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
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Location: Hereford

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 14 4:57 pm Post subject:

sean wrote:

Panic not. Methane hydrate is coming. What can possibly go wrong?

I saw that, and thought of this thread. But, I knew it would end well.

oldish chris

Joined: 14 Jun 2006
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Location: Comfortably Wet Southport

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 14 6:17 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

sean wrote:

Panic not. Methane hydrate is coming. What can possibly go wrong?

I saw that, and thought of this thread. But, I knew it would end well.

best burn it asap, according to the "Warmists" AGW will release the methane in a few decades.

(Said the Troll

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Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
Posts: 15425
Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 14 8:38 am Post subject:

Treacodactyl wrote:

Hairyloon wrote:

mal55 wrote:

There's an awful lot of info on them on the internet, including health issues which are played down by developers.

And an awful lot that is made up by the fossil fuel industry and the NIMBY's...

That's the problem with calling someone a NIMBY, it ignores the fact everyone is a NIMBY. Who wants a refuse dump, open cast mine, nuclear reactor, nuclear dump, fracking etc next door?

As it happens, I moved next to a tip deliberately and withintent.
In the context of wind turbines, it seems that "MBY" actually means anywhere within sight: as demonstrated by the farm off the North Wales coast.

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The problem with wind turbines is you still will need your coal mines, fracking, nuclear power stations or whatever

It is always windy somewhere.

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 14 8:48 am Post subject:

Moving next to somewhere is different as you have a choice. As for windy somewhere, actually I don't think that's true for say England and Wales. Even if it is, it somewhat misses the obvious which is in needs to be sufficiently windy, but not too windy, everywhere for the turbines to generate the power they claim. Something that hardly ever happens.

I agree that many people complain just on looks and I'm far more concerned by their impact on noise and light.

However, even on looks people have a point in a country where you have to paint houses the right shade of pink or keep a roof thatched rather than change it to tiles. Issues that are somewhat overshadowed by a group of 150m turbines.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 14 1:02 pm Post subject:

from personal experience nimbys are rather carp at actually getting important things changed

skilled niybys are rather more effective .

the anti turbine folk are two groups ,those who object to them in their sight and those,me included,who think them a red herring in terms of a sensible energy supply.the supporters of wind are those who profit and those who think them a panacea for energy supply.

"if one gets a 15% tithe of owning the seabed for instance and the installer/operator in which i am a major shareholder gets tax breaks one may support them" who might say a thing like that ?

while im on that tack 15% of the mineral licence rights for fracking ucg and a decent chunk of shares in the seven sisters might influence ones position.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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Location: Lampeter

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 14 1:12 pm Post subject:

dpack wrote:

"if one gets a 15% tithe of owning the seabed for instance and the installer/operator in which i am a major shareholder gets tax breaks one may support them" who might say a thing like that ?

The Buck House brigade.

while im on that tack 15% of the mineral licence rights for fracking ucg and a decent chunk of shares in the seven sisters might influence ones position.

dpack

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Posts: 45518
Location: yes

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 14 1:19 pm Post subject:
the firm have fingers in a lot of pies

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 14 8:15 am Post subject:
Round here they seem to be keener to put in solar farms than wind turbines. I have no objection to them, but we are losing so much farmland to housing already I get rather worried about where our food will come from.

dpack

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Location: yes

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 14 8:22 am Post subject:

Mistress Rose wrote:

Round here they seem to be keener to put in solar farms than wind turbines. I have no objection to them, but we are losing so much farmland to housing already I get rather worried about where our food will come from.

kenya ,brazil, peru etc until the chinese can out buy us on price and the us,ukraine etc until they wreck the soil or become russian

Eigon

Joined: 25 Dec 2012
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 14 8:26 pm Post subject:
Near Hereford there's a project going on to build a solar panel farm on land which was used for landfill. The ground is polluted, so it can't be used for grazing, growing crops or building houses, so this seems an ideal use to me. There are also groups locally which are looking at putting solar panels on the roofs of public buildings to provide energy for those buildings and the local community.

jamanda
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 14 8:28 pm Post subject:

Eigon wrote:

Near Hereford there's a project going on to build a solar panel farm on land which was used for landfill. The ground is polluted, so it can't be used for grazing, growing crops or building houses, so this seems an ideal use to me. There are also groups locally which are looking at putting solar panels on the roofs of public buildings to provide energy for those buildings and the local community.

These are great ideas. Carpark shelters with solar panels seem to be a no brainer too.

Nick

Joined: 02 Nov 2004
Posts: 34535
Location: Hereford

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 14 9:02 pm Post subject:

Eigon wrote:

Where's this, please?

Hairyloon

Joined: 20 Nov 2008
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Location: Today I are mostly being in Yorkshire.

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 14 9:20 pm Post subject:

Nick wrote:

Eigon wrote:

There are also groups locally which are looking at putting solar panels on the roofs of public buildings to provide energy for those buildings and the local community.

Where's this, please?

Why is it not everywhere?

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